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14-06-2013, 05:35 PM (This post was last modified: 14-06-2013 06:05 PM by Stephen Charchuk.)
Re: RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(14-06-2013 05:05 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Yes G.M!
Just re reading O.P. and started thinking an ethically higher cosmic power could well exist and all scripture contain history, paradox, seeming stupidity, violence, craziness, along with lots of annoying pseudo pride and dogma, could still hold the seeds of an unravelling learning curve directed towards a potential higher consciousness.Angel

Higher consciousness? What's that? Is it suppose to be something like a so-called soul? So far the only consciousness around is our's and it doesn' t seem to be all that different from individual to individual. All else is just wishful thinking. Dodgy

Are you talking about that "enlightenment" nonsense? That's easy. The meaning of life can be found in any good dictionary. [Note: Sarcasm]

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16-06-2013, 02:31 PM
RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(14-06-2013 12:13 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:You're hilarious! I didn't think there was a silver lining to the holocaust, but apparently there is one: "it could have been worse." Clap, clap, clap.

Um, silver linings include the soon-after creation of Israel as a secular Jewish nation, in fulfillment of prophecy, and the worldwide recognition that God helped the Allies triumph over socialist and fascist tyranny and man's cruelty to man.

Nope. Let's rewind. Here's the original post of PJ's I was responding to:

(14-06-2013 12:13 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  A cruel God would have a hardier creation. The average stay in Auschwitz was three months before death. Lacking B vitamins and a basic diet, camp prisoners had trouble remembering even the names of lost ones, another mercy.

No, if I was the cruel God you propose, I'd make the bodies/soul cages tougher, so the Nazis could torture people psychically and physically for five-seven years or more instead of three months.

PJ said a cruel god would have made the holocaust worse. I feel sorry for all the gods out there; their PR teams really suck.

...it would rather be a man... [who] plunges into scientific questions with which he has no real acquaintance, only to obscure them with aimless rhetoric, and distract the attention of his hearers from the real point at issue by eloquent digressions and skilled appeals to religious prejudice.
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16-06-2013, 03:44 PM
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(16-06-2013 02:31 PM)guitar_nut Wrote:  PJ said a cruel god would have made the holocaust worse. I feel sorry for all the gods out there; their PR teams really suck.

Yeah, with friends like that who needs enemies..... Like the quote goes; Jesus "You did WHAT in my name?!"

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16-06-2013, 03:53 PM (This post was last modified: 16-06-2013 03:57 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(14-06-2013 05:35 PM)Stephen Charchuk Wrote:  
(14-06-2013 05:05 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Yes G.M!
Just re reading O.P. and started thinking an ethically higher cosmic power could well exist and all scripture contain history, paradox, seeming stupidity, violence, craziness, along with lots of annoying pseudo pride and dogma, could still hold the seeds of an unravelling learning curve directed towards a potential higher consciousness.Angel

Higher consciousness? What's that? Is it suppose to be something like a so-called soul? So far the only consciousness around is our's and it doesn' t seem to be all that different from individual to individual. All else is just wishful thinking.

More like a collective consciousness where the individual recognizes its own irrelevance while simultaneously appreciating it as the only thing of relevance there is. Science and technology represent artifacts of this collective consciousness. The individual scientist or engineer is no longer critical to their advancement. They will continue to advance exponentially. The core has been breached and containment is no longer possible. If Leibniz hadn't discovered the Calculus, Newton would've. If Newton hadn't discovered the Calculus, Leibniz would've. There are many, many more examples of simultaneous discovery. Redundancy is now built-in. Yes I am talking of the Borg here. Tongue

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16-06-2013, 04:00 PM
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(16-06-2013 03:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  More like a collective consciousness where the individual recognizes its own irrelevance while simultaneously appreciating it as the only thing of relevance there is. Science and technology represent artifacts of this collective consciousness. The individual scientist or engineer is no longer critical to their advancement. The core has been breached and containment is no longer possible. If Leibniz hadn't discovered the Calculus, Newton would've. If Newton hadn't discovered the Calculus, Leibniz would've. There are many, many more examples of simultaneous discovery. Redundancy is now built-in. Yes I am talking of the Borg here. Tongue

I know that you're saying words but all I hear is "new age" nonsense. Sorry. You're going to have to accept that this all there is.

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16-06-2013, 04:01 PM
RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(16-06-2013 03:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(14-06-2013 05:35 PM)Stephen Charchuk Wrote:  Higher consciousness? What's that? Is it suppose to be something like a so-called soul? So far the only consciousness around is our's and it doesn' t seem to be all that different from individual to individual. All else is just wishful thinking.

More like a collective consciousness where the individual recognizes its own irrelevance while simultaneously appreciating it as the only thing of relevance there is. Science and technology represent artifacts of this collective consciousness. The individual scientist or engineer is no longer critical to their advancement. They will continue to advance exponentially. The core has been breached and containment is no longer possible. If Leibniz hadn't discovered the Calculus, Newton would've. If Newton hadn't discovered the Calculus, Leibniz would've. There are many, many more examples of simultaneous discovery. Redundancy is now built-in. Yes I am talking of the Borg here. Tongue

Memetics explains it better. The ideas are out there, held in many minds; it is the zeitgeist.
The synthesis is there to be grasped by any ready minds.

No Borg, no woo.

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16-06-2013, 04:06 PM
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(16-06-2013 04:01 PM)Chas Wrote:  Memetics explains it better. The ideas are out there, held in many minds; it is the zeitgeist.
The synthesis is there to be grasped by any ready minds.

No Borg, no woo.

You're starting to sound like a theist. "All you need is to believe.... To have faith." Justifing your reality and making it more than it truly is.

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16-06-2013, 04:11 PM
RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(16-06-2013 04:06 PM)Stephen Charchuk Wrote:  
(16-06-2013 04:01 PM)Chas Wrote:  Memetics explains it better. The ideas are out there, held in many minds; it is the zeitgeist.
The synthesis is there to be grasped by any ready minds.

No Borg, no woo.

You're starting to sound like a theist. "All you need is to believe.... To have faith." Justifing your reality and making it more than it truly is.

What?

I don't think you understand what I wrote.

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16-06-2013, 04:56 PM
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(16-06-2013 04:11 PM)Chas Wrote:  What?

I don't think you understand what I wrote.

What gave you that idea? Rolleyes

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16-06-2013, 07:54 PM (This post was last modified: 16-06-2013 08:11 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Great Christian Fallacies.
(16-06-2013 04:00 PM)Stephen Charchuk Wrote:  I know that you're saying words but all I hear is "new age" nonsense. Sorry. You're going to have to accept that this all there is.

Suck my fatass sumo satchel. No no, a little to the right, I got a varicocele on my left nut so I can't feel it. Ain't no new age shit here, I don't even believe in me let alone you. Nothing new age 'bout that, Descartes tried to deal with that shit centuries ago and fell flat on his fucking face. I don't accept shit. .... fuckin' kids, talkin' shit without ever having studied shit. ... just pullin' dingleberries out your ass.

(16-06-2013 04:01 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(16-06-2013 03:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  More like a collective consciousness where the individual recognizes its own irrelevance while simultaneously appreciating it as the only thing of relevance there is. Science and technology represent artifacts of this collective consciousness. The individual scientist or engineer is no longer critical to their advancement. They will continue to advance exponentially. The core has been breached and containment is no longer possible. If Leibniz hadn't discovered the Calculus, Newton would've. If Newton hadn't discovered the Calculus, Leibniz would've. There are many, many more examples of simultaneous discovery. Redundancy is now built-in. Yes I am talking of the Borg here. Tongue

Memetics explains it better. The ideas are out there, held in many minds; it is the zeitgeist.
The synthesis is there to be grasped by any ready minds.

No Borg, no woo.

That's what I'm saying. It ain't woo, but it is the Borg. Tongue

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