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24-05-2018, 08:37 PM
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merged w/ previous

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25-05-2018, 03:34 AM
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"God is dead." (Nietzsche)

"Nietzsche is dead." (God)

"Nietzsche and God are both dead." (History) Consider
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25-05-2018, 03:47 AM
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"Atheism or similar charges was not unusual among intellectuals, nor condemned by the masses. The prize-winning plays of Aristophanes were not merely atheist, but made fun of the gods and their prophets and oracles." (Parmenides, The Trial of Socrates) Consider
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25-05-2018, 04:38 AM
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(25-05-2018 03:47 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  "Atheism or similar charges was not unusual among intellectuals, nor condemned by the masses. The prize-winning plays of Aristophanes were not merely atheist, but made fun of the gods and their prophets and oracles." (Parmenides, The Trial of Socrates) Consider

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The quote isn't from Parmenides, who didn't witness the trial of Socrates and didn't write about it.

It's a quote from Benjamin Jowett (1817 - 1893), a theologian best remembered for his translations of Plato. It appears in his introduction to Plato's Phaedo.

Parmenides himself was not an atheist, as far as we can tell. Only fragments of his work remain, but they purport to be an account of revelations he received from a goddess, perhaps Persephone. "Atheist," in Jowett's sentence, refers to a lack of belief in the Greek gods of myth. It's clear from Plato's Symposium that the guests feel free to make up comic monologues about the traditional gods -- the extent to which they take them seriously is a complicated issue. Many people who heard Socrates, however, including Plato, believed in a God that is more like the Christian God of Augustine and Aquinas. So "atheist" here doesn't necessarily equate to the beliefs of the people on this forum.
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25-05-2018, 05:08 AM
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(25-05-2018 04:38 AM)Belaqua Wrote:  
(25-05-2018 03:47 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  "Atheism or similar charges was not unusual among intellectuals, nor condemned by the masses. The prize-winning plays of Aristophanes were not merely atheist, but made fun of the gods and their prophets and oracles." (Parmenides, The Trial of Socrates) Consider

Can you edit this post?

The quote isn't from Parmenides, who didn't witness the trial of Socrates and didn't write about it.

It's a quote from Benjamin Jowett (1817 - 1893), a theologian best remembered for his translations of Plato. It appears in his introduction to Plato's Phaedo.

Parmenides himself was not an atheist, as far as we can tell. Only fragments of his work remain, but they purport to be an account of revelations he received from a goddess, perhaps Persephone. "Atheist," in Jowett's sentence, refers to a lack of belief in the Greek gods of myth. It's clear from Plato's Symposium that the guests feel free to make up comic monologues about the traditional gods -- the extent to which they take them seriously is a complicated issue. Many people who heard Socrates, however, including Plato, believed in a God that is more like the Christian God of Augustine and Aquinas. So "atheist" here doesn't necessarily equate to the beliefs of the people on this forum.

> My purpose was not to claim or imply that Parmenides was an atheist, but only to encourage further reading. The quote was taken from Celebrity Atheist List:
http://www.celebatheists.com/wiki/Category:Atheist
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25-05-2018, 03:32 PM
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"Were this a couple of hundred years ago, and I come up and say these things --- I'd be dead.
And were it that atheists were generally in charge and we would look on people who believed on faith as a minority, you would not be dead."
"We would not be killing people because lack of faith is not threatened by faith. Faith is threatened by both lack of faith and other faiths."

- Aron Ra.

"Throughout history, every mystery, ever solved, has turned out to be; Not magic."
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25-05-2018, 04:19 PM (This post was last modified: 25-05-2018 04:22 PM by ethos.)
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(removed it - perhaps it was going to stir up a debate that wasn't for this section.)
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25-05-2018, 04:44 PM
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(25-05-2018 03:32 PM)M. Linoge Wrote:  "Were this a couple of hundred years ago, and I come up and say these things --- I'd be dead. ..."

- Aron Ra.

Is there any evidence that people were killed in Texas in the early 19th century for saying atheist things?

I've studied the situation in England a little bit. He wouldn't have been killed there. Maybe in Saudi Arabia, I don't know.

I don't think he's correct.
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25-05-2018, 06:11 PM
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(25-05-2018 04:44 PM)Belaqua Wrote:  
(25-05-2018 03:32 PM)M. Linoge Wrote:  "Were this a couple of hundred years ago, and I come up and say these things --- I'd be dead. ..."

- Aron Ra.

Is there any evidence that people were killed in Texas in the early 19th century for saying atheist things?

I've studied the situation in England a little bit. He wouldn't have been killed there. Maybe in Saudi Arabia, I don't know.

I don't think he's correct.

People are being murdered today for being homosexuals. You really think someone could have a carer of contesting the existence of the abrahamic god like Aron Ra in 17th-19th century America and live? (l don't know if he meant exactly two hundred years so l give it a wider marginal.)

Do you think they would keep records of that?

I'm not saying you're wrong, l'm just asking.

"Throughout history, every mystery, ever solved, has turned out to be; Not magic."
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25-05-2018, 06:22 PM
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"Religion is a group of scam artists that sell the calming idea that your body is a temple of God, while your mind belongs to them." (Jose Antonio Carrillo) Consider
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