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15-02-2015, 08:23 PM
Greek word "δοῦλος" - or doulos, slave
Apologists often claim that this word, δοῦλος, Anglicized as doulos, as used in the New Testament means "servant" rather than "slave."

However, I've seen others say unequivocally that there is no Greek usage of δοῦλος that means "servant" — it is explicitly a word meaning a person who is owned by another.

Anybody have a good, solid scholarly citation for that?

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15-02-2015, 09:01 PM
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(15-02-2015 08:23 PM)claywise Wrote:  Apologists often claim that this word, δοῦλος, Anglicized as doulos, as used in the New Testament means "servant" rather than "slave."

However, I've seen others say unequivocally that there is no Greek usage of δοῦλος that means "servant" — it is explicitly a word meaning a person who is owned by another.

Anybody have a good, solid scholarly citation for that?

Thanks.

Different versions of the NT do indeed translate it as "slave." The old King James version has it as "servant," but the newer Modern King James Version has corrected it to "slave."

It does mean slave, by the way.

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15-02-2015, 09:04 PM
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(15-02-2015 09:01 PM)Free Wrote:  It does mean slave, by the way.

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15-02-2015, 09:31 PM
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(15-02-2015 09:04 PM)claywise Wrote:  
(15-02-2015 09:01 PM)Free Wrote:  It does mean slave, by the way.

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15-02-2015, 09:35 PM
RE: Greek word "δοῦλος" - or doulos, slave
(15-02-2015 09:01 PM)Free Wrote:  
(15-02-2015 08:23 PM)claywise Wrote:  Apologists often claim that this word, δοῦλος, Anglicized as doulos, as used in the New Testament means "servant" rather than "slave."

However, I've seen others say unequivocally that there is no Greek usage of δοῦλος that means "servant" — it is explicitly a word meaning a person who is owned by another.

Anybody have a good, solid scholarly citation for that?

Thanks.

Different versions of the NT do indeed translate it as "slave." The old King James version has it as "servant," but the newer Modern King James Version has corrected it to "slave."

It does mean slave, by the way.

Possibly in Old KJV times "servant" and "slave" were synonymous?

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15-02-2015, 09:40 PM
RE: Greek word "δοῦλος" - or doulos, slave
(15-02-2015 09:35 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(15-02-2015 09:01 PM)Free Wrote:  Different versions of the NT do indeed translate it as "slave." The old King James version has it as "servant," but the newer Modern King James Version has corrected it to "slave."

It does mean slave, by the way.

Possibly in Old KJV times "servant" and "slave" were synonymous?

You are actually correct. It's olde English. The meanings of many words some 400 years ago when the KJV was made were in fact synonymous.

Nice catch.

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15-02-2015, 11:13 PM
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i do believe doulos means slave. but I believe the distinction at the time was often less than clear especially with citizenship in greece being tied in with property. I think in latin Servus can mean either servant, slave or son.

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15-02-2015, 11:15 PM
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also I think both my New testament Greek books translate it as slave.

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16-02-2015, 03:59 AM
RE: Greek word "δοῦλος" - or doulos, slave
I don't know if this helps, but I'm Greek and I've studied some Ancient Greek and I've never seen any instance of the word "δοῦλος" meaning "servant".

I just looked into it a bit and it seems the word comes from an old Mycenaean word (do-e-ro) which clearly meant the opposite of "free".

After all, there were no servants in Ancient Greece. They were all slaves. Sure, some of them were like family, some of them had rights, some of them had rather prestigious jobs to do.

They were, however, slaves. They weren't free, they were property and their masters had complete control over them. The fact that sometimes there was respect, love or compassion between master and slave is irrelevant. They were NOT servants.

I can't really provide any citation for that because the etymology part would be in Greek and the rest of it is just facts, which would need many texts and lots of research to "prove".

I think the fact that there were no servants (at least in the way we know them today, working, getting paid and being respected) in ancient Greece is enough.

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16-02-2015, 04:23 AM
RE: Greek word "δοῦλος" - or doulos, slave
I would imagine that the concept of getting paid to do menial work is a pretty new one - probably industrial revolution? Before that I guess you'd either be poor and do it yourself or rich and have a servant/slave/peasant do it...

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