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01-06-2012, 08:06 PM
RE: Green Lantern is Gay!
Quote:Now I shall try and stop the derailing. Or is it derailing if it's still technically about comics?

Well, people who use the word gay as a pejorative would say comic book collecting is gay so I don't think we are derailing.

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01-06-2012, 09:12 PM
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I was a big comic book guy in my teens. I still have my collection in my parents attic, although it is probably mostly ruined by now. Some of my prized collections included Spiderman 121 (death of Gwen Stacey), Spriderman 122 (death of Green Goblin), Spiderman 129 (first appearance of the Punisher), every Daredevil with Electra, and a bunch of other books that, at one time, were worth a decent amount of coin.

And, as a long time comic book fan I can say, without hesitation or equivocation: who gives a fuck if Green Lantern is gay? My 2 general thoughts on this are a) DC has realized that there is a big market to be filled by having a gay character and the people bitching about this generally don't buy comic books where gay teens may, so this is a business decision; and b) good for them for realizing that, given the percentage of gays in the general population, the law of averages dictated there had to be a gay super hero. Whether it was Green Lantern, Green Arrow, or some other character, there was inevitably a gay super hero. I applaud DC for embracing reality.

As for people who have a big problem with it, don't fucking read it. Life is about choices so go make one and shut the fuck up about how other people live their lives.

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01-06-2012, 10:46 PM
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Hey, BnW.

Long time no see, brother. I hope things are well.

The article was even more specific than that. They already had a gay character; Green Lantern's son. But by returning GL to his youth, they lost the son. So they made the dad gay. More of an amalgamation really.

Hey, Lucradis.

For the record, Nick Fury was made into a black character years before the Avengers/Marvel movies. It happened in the comic books when they, gasp, rebooted the character. Once the millennium turned, even with the Infinity Formula in his blood, it was getting hard to justify why a guy who fought in WWII was doing still kicking around. And much like DC, they were like, "Well, while we're at it..."

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02-06-2012, 08:01 AM
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(01-06-2012 10:46 PM)Ghost Wrote:  Hey, Lucradis.

For the record, Nick Fury was made into a black character years before the Avengers/Marvel movies. It happened in the comic books when they, gasp, rebooted the character. Once the millennium turned, even with the Infinity Formula in his blood, it was getting hard to justify why a guy who fought in WWII was doing still kicking around. And much like DC, they were like, "Well, while we're at it..."

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Yeah, was it not the Ultimate marvel comics that Fury was black in?

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02-06-2012, 08:12 AM
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Hey Ghost

Things are well.

As for GL, there is a difference between having a gay character and a gay superhero. The heroes are the primary reason people picked up the book. Mary Jane Watson was a big part of Spiderman for 30 years but no one bought the book to see what she was up to. They bought the book to follow Peter Parker and the exploits of his alter-ego.

And, that actually reminds me of something else. Someone in this thread made a comment along the lines of this is pandering and why do we need to know about the hero's personal life at all. But, the hero's personal life has always been part of the story. Spiderman got married. Superman flirted with Lois Lane for years. Dare Devil's ex became a junkie and a porn star and gave up his real identity for a fix. A previous DD girlfriend committed suicide. The personal life has always been part of the story and part of the comic experience. Superheroes are always real people usually with real lives they are trying to juggle while saving the world. So, if you have a gay character, you have to show is life, his partner, etc. That has always been part of the comic experience.

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02-06-2012, 08:39 AM
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All comic super heros are gay. GL is just the first to come out.
Come on man...the tights? The costume color coordination? No straight guy would be caught dead wearing that stuff.
How about not taking advantage of all the women who would jump in bed with them? Clark Kent avoided Lois like the plague.
Was Bruce Wayne gay? No, he was bi. Robin on the other hand...
Wow. The public is so naive.

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02-06-2012, 08:51 AM
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Yes the personal life has always played a big part in the majority of super hero comic books. It's what grounds the characters and makes them more human. Spiderman wouldn't be Spiderman without his MJ, or Gwen Stacy. Even Spawn had a wife.
Even Jesse had Tulip... it's a part of the story telling experience.

Also I know they made fury black outside of continuity during the reboot of the franchise. I read that they based his looks on Samuel L. Jackson too which is funny. Honestly I stopped reading comics right about the time of the ultimate universe simply because I couldn't understand the need for relaunches in the first place. Just make the stories better and more interesting, instead of just copying and altering. But that's me being a geek.

In all reality there's no reason to complain about movie changes because Marvel explained it way back when they weren't owned by the evil Disney empire. The movies are set within their own Ultimate style universe. They can do whatever they want. I remember an editor at the time saying something like, they can do whatever they want like it's a what if type of universe just so long as the core of the main character remains the same.

My only real surviving issue with changes to a long lived character is that the changes might completely undermine the amount of effort previously put in to make the character who they were. It would be like making the reader feel stupid for having read everything before it. It wouldn't be relevant anymore. Unless the previous writers had been hinting the whole time about a latent homosexuality, then it would fit perfectly within the context.

Really in the end who cares? Not me. I would rather not read a super hero story these days anyhow. It does seem like making a big deal out of nothing.

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02-06-2012, 06:03 PM
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Well it took the "Million Moms" approximately 30 seconds to put their foot in their mouth:

http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/06/02/gay...-facebook/
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02-06-2012, 06:44 PM
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My only real beef with the change is that Allen Scott is pretty much unknown to anyone who is not a comic geek. Might have made more sense to have a new character, although I also get that the story of an old dude that had to hide his homosexuality with a wife and kids adds more drama.

Still, I always thought Guy Gardner was a homo. I mean, come on...who has this haircut?

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Wait, I apologize. The gay men I know have better style.
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I'm just a half-assed green lantern fan and I still get angry about Gardner, I mean wtf...really?!?...does not compute!
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03-06-2012, 04:44 AM
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It's about public appeal and the market share. "We want to give the gay community a sense of acceptance, therefore we have given them an identity in the world of Super Heroes." "Since the 'Green Lantern' movie didn't perform as expected at the box office, this will surely increase weakening sales of Green Lantern comic books and costumes in the 'gay communities' around the world."

This only means that Comic Con is going to be 'a little different' this year kids.

In reality, it's all about the money... who cares where it comes from, just as long as it's flowing in.

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