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16-08-2016, 10:47 PM (This post was last modified: 16-08-2016 11:00 PM by Deltabravo.)
Greening of the Sahara
I read with interest this paper on the greening of the Sahara desert: http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/gw...-sahel.pdf

I became interested in this because I had a home in Mallorca for many years. When we bought the house, in the early 2000's Mallorca was hot enough in May that the grasslands were dry and brown and they remained brown all through the summer into the rainy season in September. We used to swim in the sea in March and late October and in July and August, the sea was warm.

As years went by it the sea temperature dropped steadily and the place greened up. We sold up in 2012 and by then the grass was green all through the summer and the sea temperature had dropped so it wasn't pleasant to swim in the Spring or Fall. Even in August, the sea temperture had dropped so that it was rarely "warm" like the hot bath it used to be.

Anyway, I thought about it and wondered if this was having the same effect further south of Mallorca in the Sahara and this paper confirmed my suspicions. Whether this is a result of more cloud cover from more heat in the atmosphere or "global cooling", I don't know, of course.

What I do recall, as a kid in the 60's and 70's we were told to expect a mini ice age. http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/0...d-kirtley/

This now appears to have been a "myth". Maybe one day everything, including global warming will be considered a "myth" and where better a place to discuss this than here, where all ancient history, apparently, according to some, is entirely mythical. In time, we'll all be myths too. lol

Seems it was all bullshit about the polar ice cap melting to nothing like Al Gore said it would: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/...a59ff32da1
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17-08-2016, 02:54 AM
RE: Greening of the Sahara
Always look at the aims and objectives of those publishing such material. Is it purely science or is there an agenda. I think it's clear that the "Global Warming Policy Foundation" has an agenda. Skepticism is clearly warranted.

See the Wikipedia article on the organisation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_War...Foundation

As for your recollection from the 60's and 70's about an impending mini-ice-age. See:

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4487

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21-08-2016, 07:54 AM (This post was last modified: 21-08-2016 08:00 AM by Deltabravo.)
RE: Greening of the Sahara
I worked for Maurice Strong back then and I followed his career ever since. He started out with no education in a family whose politics were bent on the downfall of the USA, CCF party members, so he was essentially a communist in all but name. His aunt was a Chinese Communist spy by the name of Anita Strong. Somehow this man got a job handing out name badges at the UN and he decided so he claimed that he wanted to go back to the UN in a diplomatic capacity even though he had no post secondary education.

So he somehow gets a job with Jack Gallagher of Norcen in Calgary and then rises to head the company with no business training or experience making it the largest energy company in Canada.

Then he is appointed chairman of PetroCanada which nationalizes virtually the whole of the oil industry but he says he wanted to be a capitalist to get credibility so as to get back to the UN. Then he gets to be UN Undersecretary and chairs the Rio Summit. He is the prime mover in bringing in the idea of a carbon tax to transfer wealth from rich countries to poor ones. Then he is caught receiving a Thirty million dollar kickback and skips the country to end his days in Peking and admits a lifelong relationship with the Chinese.

And to boot he ends up worth over a hundred million dollars.

One has to wake up and smell the coffee sometimes and realize he was a front for Chinese investment in the North American resource sector and NOT a divinely gifted businessman. And all the while the Chinese are polluting their own cities beyond anything in the west.

I get the same feelings about Trump who tells his own daughter that a street beggar is 8 billion better off than he is. Trump used to be a democrat supporting universal health care and now we find his campaign manager crawling up the the rectums of Russian oligarchs while the Donald is praising Putin.

So how did he go from being billions in the hole to being , as he puts, soooo liquid you wouldn't believe it? And all with no brain.

Seriously. If the Russians wanted to set about screwing over the Republican Party they couldn't have found a better guy to do it.

I'm not a warmest or a coolest. I used to visit the Columbia Icefields as a kid and my parents had pictures of it from the early 1950s and we all knew that ice covered the prairies and we were at the end of an ice age.and we could see the glacier retreating by miles over a matter of years. No one questioned that it was getting warmer but no one thought it had to do with human activity and I don't think it does.

The temperature has not,in fact, gone up for about seventeen y e ars now so it all seems to me to have been a politically inspired hoax aimed at setting up an international tax system based on guilt about our overconsumption of fossil fuels while the poor countries didn't give a flying f about the environment.
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21-08-2016, 08:03 AM
RE: Greening of the Sahara
At work.

Well...... that was an interesting read. Not completely coherant. .. but interesting.

Personally? If enough scientists who's field is the study of something tell me 'X' about said field? I believe them.

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21-08-2016, 01:04 PM
RE: Greening of the Sahara
(21-08-2016 07:54 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  The temperature has not,in fact, gone up for about seventeen y e ars now...
NASA, ESA, NOAA, and GISS would all disagree.
Hmmm...

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21-08-2016, 01:18 PM
RE: Greening of the Sahara
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2016/0...nment-text

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21-08-2016, 02:52 PM (This post was last modified: 21-08-2016 02:59 PM by Full Circle.)
RE: Greening of the Sahara
(21-08-2016 07:54 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  The temperature has not,in fact, gone up for about seventeen y e ars now so it all seems to me to have been a politically inspired hoax aimed at setting up an international tax system based on guilt about our overconsumption of fossil fuels while the poor countries didn't give a flying f about the environment.

The hottest July on record was this year’s.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=88607

The hottest June on record was this year’s.
The hottest May on record was this year’s.
The hottest April on record was this year’s.
The hottest March on record was this year’s.
The hottest February on record was this year’s.
The hottest January on record was this year’s.
The hottest December on record was last year.
The hottest November on record was last year.
The hottest October on record was last year.
The hottest September on record was last year.
The hottest August on record was last year.
The hottest July on record was in 2015 until this year.
The hottest June on record was in 2015 until this year.
The hottest May on record was in 2015 until this year.
The hottest April on record was in 2015 until this year.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...s-agencies

Yup, just a hoax. Dodgy

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21-08-2016, 03:00 PM
RE: Greening of the Sahara
Sitting here at 107 degrees, bring on the cooling already!

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21-08-2016, 05:03 PM
RE: Greening of the Sahara
(17-08-2016 02:54 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  Always look at the aims and objectives of those publishing such material. Is it purely science or is there an agenda. I think it's clear that the "Global Warming Policy Foundation" has an agenda. Skepticism is clearly warranted.

See the Wikipedia article on the organisation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_War...Foundation

As for your recollection from the 60's and 70's about an impending mini-ice-age. See:

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4487

My recollections from the late 70's is that we were being warned that the sea level would go up by 2 to 3 meters before the end of the 20th century around the world as the polar ice caps melted. Last year or maybe 2014 I read it had in actuality risen by 7 millimeters, but still spreading fear. If they don't know any more about it than that I am not worried, of course I am 70 years old and no advancing sea level is going to wipe me out before I go from natural causes!
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21-08-2016, 05:13 PM
RE: Greening of the Sahara
(21-08-2016 02:52 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(21-08-2016 07:54 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  The temperature has not,in fact, gone up for about seventeen y e ars now so it all seems to me to have been a politically inspired hoax aimed at setting up an international tax system based on guilt about our overconsumption of fossil fuels while the poor countries didn't give a flying f about the environment.

The hottest July on record was this year’s.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=88607

The hottest June on record was this year’s.
The hottest May on record was this year’s.
The hottest April on record was this year’s.
The hottest March on record was this year’s.
The hottest February on record was this year’s.
The hottest January on record was this year’s.
The hottest December on record was last year.
The hottest November on record was last year.
The hottest October on record was last year.
The hottest September on record was last year.
The hottest August on record was last year.
The hottest July on record was in 2015 until this year.
The hottest June on record was in 2015 until this year.
The hottest May on record was in 2015 until this year.
The hottest April on record was in 2015 until this year.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...s-agencies

Yup, just a hoax. Dodgy

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What is the chart supposed to be showing? Starting at 0 degrees centigrade when?
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