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13-07-2016, 10:46 AM
RE: Gun death becoming like diarrhea SERIOUS....
(13-07-2016 09:57 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 09:20 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  But he wasn't talking about any of that. He and Slowminded were simply discussing technical details about a gun that Slowminded was thinking of buying. None of that has anything to do with what you're ranting about. Jesus Christ, take a few seconds to look at who you're responding to and what they were saying. Your last few posts are perfect examples of what we call a "non sequitur".

"Non-sequiter"..... So a gun was not used is that what you are trying to claim? Bullshit. A GUN WAS USED YOU DIPSHIT.

That was NOT a water balloon he grabbed for.


Keep reading and re reading until you fucking get it......

1. We do not do enough as a society to thing about HOW guns are used by BOTH cops and society.

2. BOTH cops and society find it far too easy to use them. NOW AGAIN, show me where in that sentence that translates to "take them all away". There wasn't good protocol in this case BECAUSE the gun was not taken into account in CONTEXT of the situation.

3. WE MAKE TOO FUCKING MANY, and again, show me where that translates to "take them all away". AGAIN, you show me in so far in any of this I said "Take them away from all cops and never let civilians have them"........THAT IS NOT what I am arguing.

4. I WANT cops to have them, COPS SHOULD have them. But even then, just like society, even THEY don't think about all the things that can go wrong, like they didn't do here. But untrained civilians have far more of a problem not thinking, police at least TRY.

5. "A good guy with a gun" bullshit, 2 dead good guys got shot with their own guns. 5 good guys got murdered because a mentally ill PTSD x military guy flew under the radar and still obtained a weapon anyway.

6. I DO NOT WANT A FASCIST STATE DUMBFUCK....... I simply want both POLICE and society think about HOW we view those objects and HOW both police and society use them.


7. When we put humans on the moon, we didn't simply go "just do it", tons of thought and redundancy in SAFETY went into thinking about all the things that could go wrong, which is WHY the Apollo 13 mission even though it failed, got those men back to earth safely. And as better trained as police are on average, things still go wrong, like this event, or shooting those blacks. So even with cops, be they shot with their own guns, or having to needlessly shoot a suspect, not enough thought goes into it. No, not as a claim "all cops are bad" but more in that we don't have a good national standard for ALL police training.

With guns, neither society or police are thinking in those terms as a big enough climate. With BOTH cops and society, the mentality is "I need them", and that simply isn't enough.

8. You do not need weapons of war, and cops should not have to face someone with an Ar-15 like the cops in Dallas did. And even outside the issue of weapons of war, even with handguns, you STILL do not need big clips. PERIOD.

9. KEEP READING THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER until you get it. NOBODY wants to remove every single firearm from society. Some do, but that is NOT the mentality of most gun safety advocates. We would like police to be better trained so they DONT have their own firearms used against them, and we'd also like it if they were not trained to dominate and shoot first. Distance training and deescalation.

10... KEEP READING THIS OVER also....... YOU CAN have a personal firearm, WITHIN REASON, just like if you want a car, it has to have breaks and airbags and cant be 5 lanes wide. Even the 2nd Amendment says "well regulated"........ stop stupidly thinking that means for safety advocates a call to ban all, THAT IS NOT what we mean by "regulate".

Now again STOP BEING A PARANOID FUCK.............PRAGMATISM is not a call for an outright ban.

With all due respect from someone who would like to see less guns on the streets...
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13-07-2016, 10:47 AM
RE: Gun death becoming like diarrhea SERIOUS....
(13-07-2016 10:13 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  What are you talking about, how can cops do their job if they are unarmed?

Can`t you see that what you are proposing is a fascist state?


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Euh... why do you use a communist poster to illustrate a the exemple of a fascist state? The USSR was a dictatorship but it wasn't a fascist one. Fascism economical doctrine is based on corporatism: the alliance between the governement and big business to give jobs to all adults in exchange of the support of the state against unions.

On another note several police forces are indeed unarmed and they operate just fine. 99% of police interventions don't require the use or threat of lethal force. In fact most of the time police officers talk to people and that's it. It's the case in England, Island and several other places like that. Of course, both of these countries have an armed police division which is highly trained and deployed only in response to dangerous and armed criminal with which no one could reason with. A gun is much better used in the hands of a highly trained and well commanded professionnal than a cop with a few weeks of weapon training who operate pretty much alone in more than half his intervention. Of course, both of these country have very little weapons in circulation and no real «castle culture» like the USA so this make their method work. Importing it would be a failure.

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13-07-2016, 10:52 AM
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(13-07-2016 10:35 AM)Anjele Wrote:  When Brian's head finally explodes...how will we know?

Grow up you paranoid fuck. And a hypocritical paranoid fuck on top of that.

You say you are not for gun control, but think I am crazy and you would not trust me with one. Now if that is the case, and you truly believe that, then you cant have it both ways. You have to have laws to prevent crazy people from getting them, or simply accept that I, even though you think I am crazy, have the right to one even though I have no record. Cant have it both ways moron.

Of course I am angry, what makes me sick is that you keep proving my point that all it amounts to is as long as you have one, who gives a fuck what happens to others.

Now, do you trust me with a gun or not? Because right now I have no record. If that is your logic than by proxy, you have to trust me with one.

Now how about you simple say, "I love having a gun", that I would believe. But that's it. I really don't think you give a shit if I get one or not. Because you wouldn't be defying your own logic trying to have it both ways if you really cared about "crazy people" not obtaining them.

Just say "As long as I have mine, I don't give a fuck what happens collectively to the entire country"........ That would be the most honest thing you could say.

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13-07-2016, 10:55 AM
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(13-07-2016 10:40 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 10:13 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  What are you talking about, how can cops do their job if they are unarmed?

Can`t you see that what you are proposing is a fascist state?


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SHUT THE FUCK UP...........

POLICE SHOULD HAVE GUNS YOU DUMBFUCK........

In this case the LOCATION was the problem, stop accusing me of things that are NOT in my head.....

The guy was handcuffed in the front. Now, if a gun just by proxy of being on a cop was such a great deterrent the perp would not have gone for it. The gun being close to the perp made that event possible.

I still fail how you keep coming to the bullshit conclusion that I am claiming we should remove all guns from both cops and society. I AM NOT SAYING THAT SO FUCKING KNOCK IT OFF.

UGGGGGG you sound like a right wing Muslim when someone says, "Your book allows people to justify violence"....... You, "You want to kill all Muslims"........

NO DUMBFUCK so knock it off.

A Quran is a mere object. I has no magic powers by itself to murder someone. But somehow we rightfully point out that although it is just an object, we do criticize how that objected is viewed and used.

POLICE SHOULD BE ARMED under the right conditions with the proper training. But there are other times when they should not be using it. And just like the interior of a maximum security prisons, the CONTEXT would NOT be appropriate.

I hate Stalin, I hate even today's Russia. I don't want us to become Cuba or North Korea. So stop throwing those bullshit memes as a childish slur that DOES NOT APPLY.

PRAGMATISM, and both police and society do not have enough of that when they think about guns. Now I am going to repeat this over and over....... Show me where in any of this post, or any prior I have said "get rid of every single firearm". I have NEVER SAID THAT, and that is NOT my goal.

I hear you comrade , I just don't think that banning all guns is a solution.

What we need is more Normal Rational Arguments.

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13-07-2016, 10:59 AM
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(13-07-2016 10:52 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 10:35 AM)Anjele Wrote:  When Brian's head finally explodes...how will we know?

Grow up you paranoid fuck. And a hypocritical paranoid fuck on top of that.

You say you are not for gun control, but think I am crazy and you would not trust me with one. Now if that is the case, and you truly believe that, then you cant have it both ways. You have to have laws to prevent crazy people from getting them, or simply accept that I, even though you think I am crazy, have the right to one even though I have no record. Cant have it both ways moron.

Of course I am angry, what makes me sick is that you keep proving my point that all it amounts to is as long as you have one, who gives a fuck what happens to others.

Now, do you trust me with a gun or not? Because right now I have no record. If that is your logic than by proxy, you have to trust me with one.

Now how about you simple say, "I love having a gun", that I would believe. But that's it. I really don't think you give a shit if I get one or not. Because you wouldn't be defying your own logic trying to have it both ways if you really cared about "crazy people" not obtaining them.

Just say "As long as I have mine, I don't give a fuck what happens collectively to the entire country"........ That would be the most honest thing you could say.

Since you were so sweet...

I do not happen to own a gun. I haven't owned one in many years. Due to nerve damage in my shoulders that affects my arms and hands I know that it's not safe for me to try to safely handle a loaded weapon.

I asked if by your standards (suggestions) earlier that no one in a home where a person with mental health issues lives should have a gun included everything listed in the DSM. Should someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder be counted? There are several things that are treated as mental health issues that do not necessarily make someone more prone to violence.

You rant, rave, scream, swear, and carry on like a lunatic. You are afraid of guns because your father was quite irresponsible with them. Fine, I get that.

It's your temper that worries me. Your outbursts plus a firearm could be a quite toxic mix.

Attack as you please, you only prove the point that you are not in control of your emotions.

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13-07-2016, 11:08 AM
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(13-07-2016 10:47 AM)epronovost Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 10:13 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  What are you talking about, how can cops do their job if they are unarmed?

Can`t you see that what you are proposing is a fascist state?


VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!

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Euh... why do you use a communist poster to illustrate a the exemple of a fascist state? The USSR was a dictatorship but it wasn't a fascist one. Fascism economical doctrine is based on corporatism: the alliance between the governement and big business to give jobs to all adults in exchange of the support of the state against unions.

On another note several police forces are indeed unarmed and they operate just fine. 99% of police interventions don't require the use or threat of lethal force. In fact most of the time police officers talk to people and that's it. It's the case in England, Island and several other places like that. Of course, both of these countries have an armed police division which is highly trained and deployed only in response to dangerous and armed criminal with which no one could reason with. A gun is much better used in the hands of a highly trained and well commanded professionnal than a cop with a few weeks of weapon training who operate pretty much alone in more than half his intervention. Of course, both of these country have very little weapons in circulation and no real «castle culture» like the USA so this make their method work. Importing it would be a failure.

The poster is not there as an example of fascist state, quite the contrary , poster is there to remind my comrade Brian of our revolutionary goals.

We must not be seduced by the earthly pleasures that western imperialism is using to corrupt our pure socialist thought.

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13-07-2016, 11:09 AM
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(13-07-2016 10:55 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 10:40 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  SHUT THE FUCK UP...........

POLICE SHOULD HAVE GUNS YOU DUMBFUCK........

In this case the LOCATION was the problem, stop accusing me of things that are NOT in my head.....

The guy was handcuffed in the front. Now, if a gun just by proxy of being on a cop was such a great deterrent the perp would not have gone for it. The gun being close to the perp made that event possible.

I still fail how you keep coming to the bullshit conclusion that I am claiming we should remove all guns from both cops and society. I AM NOT SAYING THAT SO FUCKING KNOCK IT OFF.

UGGGGGG you sound like a right wing Muslim when someone says, "Your book allows people to justify violence"....... You, "You want to kill all Muslims"........

NO DUMBFUCK so knock it off.

A Quran is a mere object. I has no magic powers by itself to murder someone. But somehow we rightfully point out that although it is just an object, we do criticize how that objected is viewed and used.

POLICE SHOULD BE ARMED under the right conditions with the proper training. But there are other times when they should not be using it. And just like the interior of a maximum security prisons, the CONTEXT would NOT be appropriate.

I hate Stalin, I hate even today's Russia. I don't want us to become Cuba or North Korea. So stop throwing those bullshit memes as a childish slur that DOES NOT APPLY.

PRAGMATISM, and both police and society do not have enough of that when they think about guns. Now I am going to repeat this over and over....... Show me where in any of this post, or any prior I have said "get rid of every single firearm". I have NEVER SAID THAT, and that is NOT my goal.

I hear you comrade , I just don't think that banning all guns is a solution.

What we need is more Normal Rational Arguments.

You idiots have a severe reading comprehension problem....

I DO NOT WANT TO BAN ALL FIREARMS YOU STUPID FUCK!

How many times to I have to repeat that? Do you know how to read, or you simply going to keep acting like a paranoid fuck merely because someone is upset with the status quo?

I DO NOT WANT TO BAN ALL FIREARMS........

1. We make to many does not = ban them all

2. They are too easy to get does not= ban them all

3. Police need to be trained to use them as a last resort more does not equal=ban them all. Yes cops need them..... That does not mean they always do the right thing with them.

5. IF YOU WANT A GUN FOR HOME PROTECTION GREAT YES YES YES.... But you still don't need weapons of war or big clips. Show me where that translates to "take every gun away"....... It does not SO FUCKING STOP jumping to that stupid paranoid conclusion.

6. You do not need to carry them in public, also DOES NOT =take them all. It merely means leave them at home. Unless you are transporting to hunt, or transporting for a legal job that requires you to have one, like a body guard, private security guard, private detective, bouncer............

NOW KEEP READING THE ABOVE YOU STUPID PARANOID FUCK

NONE OF WHAT I SAID IN ANY OF THIS MEANS TAKE THEM ALL AWAY.....

FUCKING KNOCK IT OFF.

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13-07-2016, 11:11 AM
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Methinks the one calling everyone else paranoid may be a touch paranoid.

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13-07-2016, 11:26 AM
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(13-07-2016 11:09 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 10:55 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  I hear you comrade , I just don't think that banning all guns is a solution.

What we need is more Normal Rational Arguments.

You idiots have a severe reading comprehension problem....

I DO NOT WANT TO BAN ALL FIREARMS YOU STUPID FUCK!

How many times to I have to repeat that? Do you know how to read, or you simply going to keep acting like a paranoid fuck merely because someone is upset with the status quo?

I DO NOT WANT TO BAN ALL FIREARMS........

1. We make to many does not = ban them all

2. They are too easy to get does not= ban them all

3. Police need to be trained to use them as a last resort more does not equal=ban them all. Yes cops need them..... That does not mean they always do the right thing with them.

5. IF YOU WANT A GUN FOR HOME PROTECTION GREAT YES YES YES.... But you still don't need weapons of war or big clips. Show me where that translates to "take every gun away"....... It does not SO FUCKING STOP jumping to that stupid paranoid conclusion.

6. You do not need to carry them in public, also DOES NOT =take them all. It merely means leave them at home. Unless you are transporting to hunt, or transporting for a legal job that requires you to have one, like a body guard, private security guard, private detective, bouncer............

NOW KEEP READING THE ABOVE YOU STUPID PARANOID FUCK

NONE OF WHAT I SAID IN ANY OF THIS MEANS TAKE THEM ALL AWAY.....

FUCKING KNOCK IT OFF.

I completely agree with you, comrade. Naturally, Reasonable Arrangements with gun makers must be made before we demand that they stop all gun production.

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13-07-2016, 11:31 AM
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(13-07-2016 10:55 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  What we need is more Normal Rational Arguments.
I see what you did there. Wink

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