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13-07-2016, 09:57 AM
RE: Gun death becoming like diarrhea SERIOUS....
(13-07-2016 09:20 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 09:12 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  Bullshit, the delusional cant even see how even in this case it is also a problem.

If the mere presence of a firearm even in the hands of law enforcement were a deterrent, this sicko wouldn't have gone for it. The gun being in close proximity to the perp provided him with that opportunity.

Now somehow you stupidly think I am saying not even cops should have them. NO NO NO NO NO NO, and I am not even saying private citizens should never have them.

SO PLEASE FUCKING KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF. Stop fucking childishly and falsely accusing me of that. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND READ.

If the perp had been handcuffed properly, AND they had MORE staff, AND if those escorting him had been in pairs, with mere tazers or mace, AND ARMED, NOTICE I said ARMED law at a DISTANCE, the perp would have been less likely to make the attempt because A GUN wouldn't have been easily accessed. It was less than a foot or two away from him. And in federal prisons that house the worst violent criminals they DONT allow the interior guards to carry.

NOW please fucking knock off your bullshit. COPS SHOULD have them, and civilians CAN have them, nobody is calling for an all out ban. But society doesn't want enough to THINK about situational context and your bullshit mentality is "I wouldn't I don't....." I DONT GIVE A FUCK........

LACK OF FUCKING PRAGMATISM...................THATS ALL.

If you want a gun for home protection. YES, but you don't need a weapon of war, you don't need big clips, and you don't need to be walking around in fucking public unless you have a lagit job, like a bounty hunter, bouncer, private security guard, ect ect ect. Open carry and concealed carry are why cops have to fear every traffic stop, and even in DALLAS it slowed them down from figuring out who the bad guys were.

NOW in every word in the above, I defy you to show me ANYWHERE in that the words "take away all firearms"......... YOU WONT FIND THAT SO FUCK OFF.

GROW THE FUCK UP, and stop being so paranoid.

But he wasn't talking about any of that. He and Slowminded were simply discussing technical details about a gun that Slowminded was thinking of buying. None of that has anything to do with what you're ranting about. Jesus Christ, take a few seconds to look at who you're responding to and what they were saying. Your last few posts are perfect examples of what we call a "non sequitur".

"Non-sequiter"..... So a gun was not used is that what you are trying to claim? Bullshit. A GUN WAS USED YOU DIPSHIT.

That was NOT a water balloon he grabbed for.


Keep reading and re reading until you fucking get it......

1. We do not do enough as a society to thing about HOW guns are used by BOTH cops and society.

2. BOTH cops and society find it far too easy to use them. NOW AGAIN, show me where in that sentence that translates to "take them all away". There wasn't good protocol in this case BECAUSE the gun was not taken into account in CONTEXT of the situation.

3. WE MAKE TOO FUCKING MANY, and again, show me where that translates to "take them all away". AGAIN, you show me in so far in any of this I said "Take them away from all cops and never let civilians have them"........THAT IS NOT what I am arguing.

4. I WANT cops to have them, COPS SHOULD have them. But even then, just like society, even THEY don't think about all the things that can go wrong, like they didn't do here. But untrained civilians have far more of a problem not thinking, police at least TRY.

5. "A good guy with a gun" bullshit, 2 dead good guys got shot with their own guns. 5 good guys got murdered because a mentally ill PTSD x military guy flew under the radar and still obtained a weapon anyway.

6. I DO NOT WANT A FASCIST STATE DUMBFUCK....... I simply want both POLICE and society think about HOW we view those objects and HOW both police and society use them.


7. When we put humans on the moon, we didn't simply go "just do it", tons of thought and redundancy in SAFETY went into thinking about all the things that could go wrong, which is WHY the Apollo 13 mission even though it failed, got those men back to earth safely. And as better trained as police are on average, things still go wrong, like this event, or shooting those blacks. So even with cops, be they shot with their own guns, or having to needlessly shoot a suspect, not enough thought goes into it. No, not as a claim "all cops are bad" but more in that we don't have a good national standard for ALL police training.

With guns, neither society or police are thinking in those terms as a big enough climate. With BOTH cops and society, the mentality is "I need them", and that simply isn't enough.

8. You do not need weapons of war, and cops should not have to face someone with an Ar-15 like the cops in Dallas did. And even outside the issue of weapons of war, even with handguns, you STILL do not need big clips. PERIOD.

9. KEEP READING THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER until you get it. NOBODY wants to remove every single firearm from society. Some do, but that is NOT the mentality of most gun safety advocates. We would like police to be better trained so they DONT have their own firearms used against them, and we'd also like it if they were not trained to dominate and shoot first. Distance training and deescalation.

10... KEEP READING THIS OVER also....... YOU CAN have a personal firearm, WITHIN REASON, just like if you want a car, it has to have breaks and airbags and cant be 5 lanes wide. Even the 2nd Amendment says "well regulated"........ stop stupidly thinking that means for safety advocates a call to ban all, THAT IS NOT what we mean by "regulate".

Now again STOP BEING A PARANOID FUCK.............PRAGMATISM is not a call for an outright ban.

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13-07-2016, 10:01 AM
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The echos in there must be deafening...

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13-07-2016, 10:13 AM
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(13-07-2016 09:57 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 09:20 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  But he wasn't talking about any of that. He and Slowminded were simply discussing technical details about a gun that Slowminded was thinking of buying. None of that has anything to do with what you're ranting about. Jesus Christ, take a few seconds to look at who you're responding to and what they were saying. Your last few posts are perfect examples of what we call a "non sequitur".

"Non-sequiter"..... So a gun was not used is that what you are trying to claim? Bullshit. A GUN WAS USED YOU DIPSHIT.

That was NOT a water balloon he grabbed for.


Keep reading and re reading until you fucking get it......

1. We do not do enough as a society to thing about HOW guns are used by BOTH cops and society.

2. BOTH cops and society find it far too easy to use them. NOW AGAIN, show me where in that sentence that translates to "take them all away". There wasn't good protocol in this case BECAUSE the gun was not taken into account in CONTEXT of the situation.

3. WE MAKE TOO FUCKING MANY, and again, show me where that translates to "take them all away". AGAIN, you show me in so far in any of this I said "Take them away from all cops and never let civilians have them"........THAT IS NOT what I am arguing.

4. I WANT cops to have them, COPS SHOULD have them. But even then, just like society, even THEY don't think about all the things that can go wrong, like they didn't do here. But untrained civilians have far more of a problem not thinking, police at least TRY.

5. "A good guy with a gun" bullshit, 2 dead good guys got shot with their own guns. 5 good guys got murdered because a mentally ill PTSD x military guy flew under the radar and still obtained a weapon anyway.

6. I DO NOT WANT A FASCIST STATE DUMBFUCK....... I simply want both POLICE and society think about HOW we view those objects and HOW both police and society use them.


7. When we put humans on the moon, we didn't simply go "just do it", tons of thought and redundancy in SAFETY went into thinking about all the things that could go wrong, which is WHY the Apollo 13 mission even though it failed, got those men back to earth safely. And as better trained as police are on average, things still go wrong, like this event, or shooting those blacks. So even with cops, be they shot with their own guns, or having to needlessly shoot a suspect, not enough thought goes into it. No, not as a claim "all cops are bad" but more in that we don't have a good national standard for ALL police training.

With guns, neither society or police are thinking in those terms as a big enough climate. With BOTH cops and society, the mentality is "I need them", and that simply isn't enough.

8. You do not need weapons of war, and cops should not have to face someone with an Ar-15 like the cops in Dallas did. And even outside the issue of weapons of war, even with handguns, you STILL do not need big clips. PERIOD.

9. KEEP READING THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER until you get it. NOBODY wants to remove every single firearm from society. Some do, but that is NOT the mentality of most gun safety advocates. We would like police to be better trained so they DONT have their own firearms used against them, and we'd also like it if they were not trained to dominate and shoot first. Distance training and deescalation.

10... KEEP READING THIS OVER also....... YOU CAN have a personal firearm, WITHIN REASON, just like if you want a car, it has to have breaks and airbags and cant be 5 lanes wide. Even the 2nd Amendment says "well regulated"........ stop stupidly thinking that means for safety advocates a call to ban all, THAT IS NOT what we mean by "regulate".

Now again STOP BEING A PARANOID FUCK.............PRAGMATISM is not a call for an outright ban.

What are you talking about, how can cops do their job if they are unarmed?

Can`t you see that what you are proposing is a fascist state?


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13-07-2016, 10:23 AM
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Police make mistakes, like the guy who handcuffed the perp the wrong way, but the gun was still part of it regardless. Now that is a person who gets paid and trained to use one.

But the next story you read is FAR MORE LIKELY to happen to a legal gun owner with no record........ And even this former gun owner ADMITTED what he wanted to be reality, before something actually happened, was not the way he wanted to react. His real reaction while trying to defend himself was NOT the reality he expected.


http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/gave-...-1.1238566

You can sit there and argue rights all the fuck you want, here is a guy that thought that too, until he actually tried to use one, then realized what he was sold as an image was not the reality of real use under stress.

And even with that trained cop, who was trained, who shot the guy in the back of the car in that now famous video, listen to his voice, he was completely freaked out by what he had done, and what person actually likes shooting someone? Now, if a cop can stress out like that, what makes you think most civilian people think about what using one involves?

My entire intent has been for years is to get people to THINK without blindly defending the object. Police as well need to be better trained so shoot first isn't a default. But don't sit there and think just because you have good intent yourself and have never had anything go wrong in your personal life, means a problem does not exist.

Now, don't point to that story above and claim it is an isolated case, because I can find yo plenty of examples of civilians who thought they knew what they were doing but end up fucking up.

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13-07-2016, 10:26 AM
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I can't believe he thinks the guy tried to grab a water balloon. He didn't saturate them to death.

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13-07-2016, 10:34 AM
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That Daily News editorial was a well reasoned, well articulated argument. Basically, the Bizaro you.

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13-07-2016, 10:35 AM
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When Brian's head finally explodes...how will we know?

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13-07-2016, 10:36 AM
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From the goo on the monitor.

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13-07-2016, 10:39 AM
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(13-07-2016 09:57 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 09:20 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  But he wasn't talking about any of that. He and Slowminded were simply discussing technical details about a gun that Slowminded was thinking of buying. None of that has anything to do with what you're ranting about. Jesus Christ, take a few seconds to look at who you're responding to and what they were saying. Your last few posts are perfect examples of what we call a "non sequitur".

"Non-sequiter"..... So a gun was not used is that what you are trying to claim? Bullshit. A GUN WAS USED YOU DIPSHIT.

That was NOT a water balloon he grabbed for.


Keep reading and re reading until you fucking get it......

1. We do not do enough as a society to thing about HOW guns are used by BOTH cops and society.

2. BOTH cops and society find it far too easy to use them. NOW AGAIN, show me where in that sentence that translates to "take them all away". There wasn't good protocol in this case BECAUSE the gun was not taken into account in CONTEXT of the situation.

3. WE MAKE TOO FUCKING MANY, and again, show me where that translates to "take them all away". AGAIN, you show me in so far in any of this I said "Take them away from all cops and never let civilians have them"........THAT IS NOT what I am arguing.

4. I WANT cops to have them, COPS SHOULD have them. But even then, just like society, even THEY don't think about all the things that can go wrong, like they didn't do here. But untrained civilians have far more of a problem not thinking, police at least TRY.

5. "A good guy with a gun" bullshit, 2 dead good guys got shot with their own guns. 5 good guys got murdered because a mentally ill PTSD x military guy flew under the radar and still obtained a weapon anyway.

6. I DO NOT WANT A FASCIST STATE DUMBFUCK....... I simply want both POLICE and society think about HOW we view those objects and HOW both police and society use them.


7. When we put humans on the moon, we didn't simply go "just do it", tons of thought and redundancy in SAFETY went into thinking about all the things that could go wrong, which is WHY the Apollo 13 mission even though it failed, got those men back to earth safely. And as better trained as police are on average, things still go wrong, like this event, or shooting those blacks. So even with cops, be they shot with their own guns, or having to needlessly shoot a suspect, not enough thought goes into it. No, not as a claim "all cops are bad" but more in that we don't have a good national standard for ALL police training.

With guns, neither society or police are thinking in those terms as a big enough climate. With BOTH cops and society, the mentality is "I need them", and that simply isn't enough.

8. You do not need weapons of war, and cops should not have to face someone with an Ar-15 like the cops in Dallas did. And even outside the issue of weapons of war, even with handguns, you STILL do not need big clips. PERIOD.

9. KEEP READING THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER until you get it. NOBODY wants to remove every single firearm from society. Some do, but that is NOT the mentality of most gun safety advocates. We would like police to be better trained so they DONT have their own firearms used against them, and we'd also like it if they were not trained to dominate and shoot first. Distance training and deescalation.

10... KEEP READING THIS OVER also....... YOU CAN have a personal firearm, WITHIN REASON, just like if you want a car, it has to have breaks and airbags and cant be 5 lanes wide. Even the 2nd Amendment says "well regulated"........ stop stupidly thinking that means for safety advocates a call to ban all, THAT IS NOT what we mean by "regulate".

Now again STOP BEING A PARANOID FUCK.............PRAGMATISM is not a call for an outright ban.

What the hell are you talking about? Your posts are non sequiturs because you are responding to posts that have nothing to do with what you are ranting about. Go back and read the post that I was responding to, and then read the post (by Popeye's Pappy) that you were responding to. You accuse him of saying all kinds of things that he never said. He and Slowminded were having a technical discussion about a certain brand of gun -- that's all. And you responded with a long profane rant about how you never said you wanted to ban all guns, etc., etc. They never accused you of saying that! They weren't even talking to you!

Christ, if you want to argue, at least argue with the right people. When you respond to a specific post, it is assumed that you are responding to points that were made in that post. You are not doing that. You're just picking random posts and responding with rants that have nothing to do with those posts. You are making yourself look like a batshit crazy idiot, and people are not going to listen to you at all when you do that.
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13-07-2016, 10:40 AM
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(13-07-2016 10:13 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 09:57 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  "Non-sequiter"..... So a gun was not used is that what you are trying to claim? Bullshit. A GUN WAS USED YOU DIPSHIT.

That was NOT a water balloon he grabbed for.


Keep reading and re reading until you fucking get it......

1. We do not do enough as a society to thing about HOW guns are used by BOTH cops and society.

2. BOTH cops and society find it far too easy to use them. NOW AGAIN, show me where in that sentence that translates to "take them all away". There wasn't good protocol in this case BECAUSE the gun was not taken into account in CONTEXT of the situation.

3. WE MAKE TOO FUCKING MANY, and again, show me where that translates to "take them all away". AGAIN, you show me in so far in any of this I said "Take them away from all cops and never let civilians have them"........THAT IS NOT what I am arguing.

4. I WANT cops to have them, COPS SHOULD have them. But even then, just like society, even THEY don't think about all the things that can go wrong, like they didn't do here. But untrained civilians have far more of a problem not thinking, police at least TRY.

5. "A good guy with a gun" bullshit, 2 dead good guys got shot with their own guns. 5 good guys got murdered because a mentally ill PTSD x military guy flew under the radar and still obtained a weapon anyway.

6. I DO NOT WANT A FASCIST STATE DUMBFUCK....... I simply want both POLICE and society think about HOW we view those objects and HOW both police and society use them.


7. When we put humans on the moon, we didn't simply go "just do it", tons of thought and redundancy in SAFETY went into thinking about all the things that could go wrong, which is WHY the Apollo 13 mission even though it failed, got those men back to earth safely. And as better trained as police are on average, things still go wrong, like this event, or shooting those blacks. So even with cops, be they shot with their own guns, or having to needlessly shoot a suspect, not enough thought goes into it. No, not as a claim "all cops are bad" but more in that we don't have a good national standard for ALL police training.

With guns, neither society or police are thinking in those terms as a big enough climate. With BOTH cops and society, the mentality is "I need them", and that simply isn't enough.

8. You do not need weapons of war, and cops should not have to face someone with an Ar-15 like the cops in Dallas did. And even outside the issue of weapons of war, even with handguns, you STILL do not need big clips. PERIOD.

9. KEEP READING THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER until you get it. NOBODY wants to remove every single firearm from society. Some do, but that is NOT the mentality of most gun safety advocates. We would like police to be better trained so they DONT have their own firearms used against them, and we'd also like it if they were not trained to dominate and shoot first. Distance training and deescalation.

10... KEEP READING THIS OVER also....... YOU CAN have a personal firearm, WITHIN REASON, just like if you want a car, it has to have breaks and airbags and cant be 5 lanes wide. Even the 2nd Amendment says "well regulated"........ stop stupidly thinking that means for safety advocates a call to ban all, THAT IS NOT what we mean by "regulate".

Now again STOP BEING A PARANOID FUCK.............PRAGMATISM is not a call for an outright ban.

What are you talking about, how can cops do their job if they are unarmed?

Can`t you see that what you are proposing is a fascist state?


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SHUT THE FUCK UP...........

POLICE SHOULD HAVE GUNS YOU DUMBFUCK........

In this case the LOCATION was the problem, stop accusing me of things that are NOT in my head.....

The guy was handcuffed in the front. Now, if a gun just by proxy of being on a cop was such a great deterrent the perp would not have gone for it. The gun being close to the perp made that event possible.

I still fail how you keep coming to the bullshit conclusion that I am claiming we should remove all guns from both cops and society. I AM NOT SAYING THAT SO FUCKING KNOCK IT OFF.

UGGGGGG you sound like a right wing Muslim when someone says, "Your book allows people to justify violence"....... You, "You want to kill all Muslims"........

NO DUMBFUCK so knock it off.

A Quran is a mere object. I has no magic powers by itself to murder someone. But somehow we rightfully point out that although it is just an object, we do criticize how that objected is viewed and used.

POLICE SHOULD BE ARMED under the right conditions with the proper training. But there are other times when they should not be using it. And just like the interior of a maximum security prisons, the CONTEXT would NOT be appropriate.

I hate Stalin, I hate even today's Russia. I don't want us to become Cuba or North Korea. So stop throwing those bullshit memes as a childish slur that DOES NOT APPLY.

PRAGMATISM, and both police and society do not have enough of that when they think about guns. Now I am going to repeat this over and over....... Show me where in any of this post, or any prior I have said "get rid of every single firearm". I have NEVER SAID THAT, and that is NOT my goal.

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