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21-09-2014, 05:59 PM
RE: Guns
(21-09-2014 05:38 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 05:26 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  Voodoo? You sure you know how they actually work?

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A polygraph (popularly referred to as a lie detector) measures and records several physiological indices such as blood pressure, pulse, respiration, and skin conductivity while the subject is asked and answers a series of questions.

Most people when they lie, their blood pressure and pulse and other stuff is effected. It is a normal part of the stress that occurs when someone lies about something.

They are not objective measures of truth - the readings must be interpreted by a person - and there is no objective standard.

Even an innocent person will have physiological responses based on fear and nervousness.

It can be a tool to gauge when someone is evasive...but is it really a lie?

For example a examiner might ask "did you hear a sound at 10 pm?"

Now they might be anal about time, always looking at the clock and answer "yes" but they're unsure because it could have been 9:30 or 10:15....

It will come back as uncertain ... Or even a lie.

Someone else who doesn't give a shit might say "yes" when they really couldn't have heard the sound at 10pm because they have proof their credit card was elsewhere.


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21-09-2014, 06:06 PM
RE: Guns
(21-09-2014 05:59 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 05:38 PM)Chas Wrote:  They are not objective measures of truth - the readings must be interpreted by a person - and there is no objective standard.

Even an innocent person will have physiological responses based on fear and nervousness.

It can be a tool to gauge when someone is evasive...but is it really a lie?

For example a examiner might ask "did you hear a sound at 10 pm?"

Now they might be anal about time, always looking at the clock and answer "yes" but they're unsure because it could have been 9:30 or 10:15....

It will come back as uncertain ... Or even a lie.

Someone else who doesn't give a shit might say "yes" when they really couldn't have heard the sound at 10pm because they have proof their credit card was elsewhere.

Further:
Quote:The accuracy of the polygraph has been contested almost since the introduction of the device. In 2003, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) issued a report entitled "The Polygraph and Lie Detection". The NAS found that the majority of polygraph research was "unreliable, unscientific and biased", concluding that 57 of the approximately 80 research studies that the American Polygraph Association relies on to come to their conclusions were significantly flawed. These studies did show that specific-incident polygraph testing, in a person untrained in counter-measures, could discern the truth at "a level greater than chance, yet short of perfection". However, due to several flaws, the levels of accuracy shown in these studies "are almost certainly higher than actual polygraph accuracy of specific-incident testing in the field"

Polygraph results are not accepted in evidence in some jurisdictions, and subject to the discretion of the trial judge in federal court.
In the States of Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, Delaware, and Iowa it is illegal for any employer to order a polygraph either as conditions to gain employment, or if an employee has been suspected of wrongdoing.

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21-09-2014, 06:06 PM
RE: Guns
(21-09-2014 05:47 PM)Chas Wrote:  [Image: Gun_Control_Takes_Practice.jpg]


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The Internet is abuzz this week with the unfortunate mishap of one security guard in Trinidad who accidentally shot his dick off with a .38 firearm. That sucks, but this isn’t the first time that a potential Darwin Award nominee robbed himself of manhood. At least five similar incidents have been reported in the United States within the last three years.

At least they didn't shoot any one else's dick off. That's a plus, eh Chas?

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21-09-2014, 06:07 PM
RE: Guns
(21-09-2014 05:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 05:27 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Just notice I meant to say sidearmConfused


What is your intent? What problem are you trying to solve?

Do you know that the overwhelming majority of firearm homicides are committed with handguns?

And that shotguns and rifles are primarily used for target sports and hunting, most of which takes place elsewhere than on one's own property?

Well then no guns off property.

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21-09-2014, 06:08 PM
RE: Guns
(21-09-2014 06:06 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 05:47 PM)Chas Wrote:  [Image: Gun_Control_Takes_Practice.jpg]


http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/193576/a...ince-2010/

Quote:At least five Americans accidentally shot off their penises since 2010

The Internet is abuzz this week with the unfortunate mishap of one security guard in Trinidad who accidentally shot his dick off with a .38 firearm. That sucks, but this isn’t the first time that a potential Darwin Award nominee robbed himself of manhood. At least five similar incidents have been reported in the United States within the last three years.

At least they didn't shoot any one else's dick off. That's a plus, eh Chas?

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21-09-2014, 06:17 PM
RE: Guns
(21-09-2014 06:06 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 05:59 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  It can be a tool to gauge when someone is evasive...but is it really a lie?

For example a examiner might ask "did you hear a sound at 10 pm?"

Now they might be anal about time, always looking at the clock and answer "yes" but they're unsure because it could have been 9:30 or 10:15....

It will come back as uncertain ... Or even a lie.

Someone else who doesn't give a shit might say "yes" when they really couldn't have heard the sound at 10pm because they have proof their credit card was elsewhere.

Further:
Quote:The accuracy of the polygraph has been contested almost since the introduction of the device. In 2003, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) issued a report entitled "The Polygraph and Lie Detection". The NAS found that the majority of polygraph research was "unreliable, unscientific and biased", concluding that 57 of the approximately 80 research studies that the American Polygraph Association relies on to come to their conclusions were significantly flawed. These studies did show that specific-incident polygraph testing, in a person untrained in counter-measures, could discern the truth at "a level greater than chance, yet short of perfection". However, due to several flaws, the levels of accuracy shown in these studies "are almost certainly higher than actual polygraph accuracy of specific-incident testing in the field"

Polygraph results are not accepted in evidence in some jurisdictions, and subject to the discretion of the trial judge in federal court.
In the States of Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, Delaware, and Iowa it is illegal for any employer to order a polygraph either as conditions to gain employment, or if an employee has been suspected of wrongdoing.

Yep...that's why...it's not conclusive proof of truth or lies, it's subjective. There's things the court does that I feel is crazy but not allowing polygraph tests isn't one of them.


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21-09-2014, 06:29 PM
RE: Guns
(21-09-2014 06:06 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 05:59 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  It can be a tool to gauge when someone is evasive...but is it really a lie?

For example a examiner might ask "did you hear a sound at 10 pm?"

Now they might be anal about time, always looking at the clock and answer "yes" but they're unsure because it could have been 9:30 or 10:15....

It will come back as uncertain ... Or even a lie.

Someone else who doesn't give a shit might say "yes" when they really couldn't have heard the sound at 10pm because they have proof their credit card was elsewhere.

Further:
Quote:The accuracy of the polygraph has been contested almost since the introduction of the device. In 2003, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) issued a report entitled "The Polygraph and Lie Detection". The NAS found that the majority of polygraph research was "unreliable, unscientific and biased", concluding that 57 of the approximately 80 research studies that the American Polygraph Association relies on to come to their conclusions were significantly flawed. These studies did show that specific-incident polygraph testing, in a person untrained in counter-measures, could discern the truth at "a level greater than chance, yet short of perfection". However, due to several flaws, the levels of accuracy shown in these studies "are almost certainly higher than actual polygraph accuracy of specific-incident testing in the field"

Polygraph results are not accepted in evidence in some jurisdictions, and subject to the discretion of the trial judge in federal court.
In the States of Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, Delaware, and Iowa it is illegal for any employer to order a polygraph either as conditions to gain employment, or if an employee has been suspected of wrongdoing.

I didn't know, I always thought since they were so spoken of all the time in basically everywhere. That they just sort of worked like how they said it did.


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21-09-2014, 06:35 PM
RE: Guns
(21-09-2014 06:29 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 06:06 PM)Chas Wrote:  Further:

Polygraph results are not accepted in evidence in some jurisdictions, and subject to the discretion of the trial judge in federal court.
In the States of Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, Delaware, and Iowa it is illegal for any employer to order a polygraph either as conditions to gain employment, or if an employee has been suspected of wrongdoing.

I didn't know, I always thought since they were so spoken of all the time in basically everywhere. That they just sort of worked like how they said it did.

Yeah no Smile its very subjective. I never fault people who refuse it -- even when the media insists otherwise.


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21-09-2014, 06:41 PM
RE: Guns
(21-09-2014 06:07 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 05:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  What is your intent? What problem are you trying to solve?

Do you know that the overwhelming majority of firearm homicides are committed with handguns?

And that shotguns and rifles are primarily used for target sports and hunting, most of which takes place elsewhere than on one's own property?

Well then no guns off property.

So, no more hunting, no more shooting sports, no more self-defense.

No more Olympic biathlon.

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21-09-2014, 06:49 PM
RE: Guns
(21-09-2014 06:41 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-09-2014 06:07 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Well then no guns off property.

So, no more hunting, no more shooting sports, no more self-defense.

No more Olympic biathlon.

Good point

If that is the case then no guns off property unless hunting anything related for sports. Self-defense welp sol.

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