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07-08-2014, 08:57 AM
RE: Gym Girls.
(06-08-2014 11:55 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 04:27 PM)Chas Wrote:  Except that a woman who is raised in an oppressive culture, who has been told all her life that she must be subservient,
who risks losing everything - even her life - should she rebel, does not actually have freedom of choice.

So it's better to take away her freedom of choice in a different way? Sure, she *may* have been brought up that way. Addressing the issue of for example honour killings through the law I have no problem with because again, that's other people imposing their will on her and they should not be allowed to get away with that. But making laws that take away her freedom to be her own person - I can't see how that is helpful.

So what about suicide victims? Should we respect their choices? Is it oppressive to stop them? If we don't let them commit suicide we are taking away their freedom of person.

Sometimes people need a bit of help to be free or to make the best choices. Headscarves should be banned for the same reason as suicide, because they are harmful regardless of whether people want it or not.

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07-08-2014, 08:59 AM
RE: Gym Girls.
(07-08-2014 02:01 AM)Mr Woof Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 05:52 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  [Image: squat.jpg]

No, I do not want those legs wrapped around my back. Feels like a tapout.

How is it Girly always comes up with the most erotic pics?Hobo

It don't find it very erotic at all. I prefer relatively weak girls, I definitely wouldn't want a girl that is stronger than me.

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07-08-2014, 09:52 AM
RE: Gym Girls.
(07-08-2014 08:57 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 11:55 PM)morondog Wrote:  So it's better to take away her freedom of choice in a different way? Sure, she *may* have been brought up that way. Addressing the issue of for example honour killings through the law I have no problem with because again, that's other people imposing their will on her and they should not be allowed to get away with that. But making laws that take away her freedom to be her own person - I can't see how that is helpful.

So what about suicide victims? Should we respect their choices? Is it oppressive to stop them? If we don't let them commit suicide we are taking away their freedom of person.

Sometimes people need a bit of help to be free or to make the best choices. Headscarves should be banned for the same reason as suicide, because they are harmful regardless of whether people want it or not.

You would presume to stop me if I wanted to suicide? No problem, I'll take you with me Smile

*You*, mon ami, are not qualified to decide if *I* or anyone else needs your so-called "help to make choices".

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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07-08-2014, 03:51 PM
RE: Gym Girls.
Massive fat bastard uses my gym. Crazy bugger always belly flops into the water and laughs like a lunatic.

Everybody's a bit nervous he's going to lose his togs.
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07-08-2014, 03:52 PM
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(07-08-2014 08:59 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  It don't find it very erotic at all. I prefer relatively weak girls, I definitely wouldn't want a girl that is stronger than me.

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07-08-2014, 05:02 PM
RE: Gym Girls.
(07-08-2014 03:52 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 08:59 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  It don't find it very erotic at all. I prefer relatively weak girls, I definitely wouldn't want a girl that is stronger than me.

[Image: squat_cause_somewhere_out_there_girl_doing_your_max.jpg]

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07-08-2014, 06:50 PM
RE: Gym Girls.
(06-08-2014 11:55 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 04:27 PM)Chas Wrote:  Except that a woman who is raised in an oppressive culture, who has been told all her life that she must be subservient,
who risks losing everything - even her life - should she rebel, does not actually have freedom of choice.

So it's better to take away her freedom of choice in a different way? Sure, she *may* have been brought up that way. Addressing the issue of for example honour killings through the law I have no problem with because again, that's other people imposing their will on her and they should not be allowed to get away with that. But making laws that take away her freedom to be her own person - I can't see how that is helpful.

I'm saying that they mostly don't have any freedom to be their own persons.

The law is the least of their worries.

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08-08-2014, 12:03 AM
RE: Gym Girls.
(07-08-2014 06:50 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 11:55 PM)morondog Wrote:  So it's better to take away her freedom of choice in a different way? Sure, she *may* have been brought up that way. Addressing the issue of for example honour killings through the law I have no problem with because again, that's other people imposing their will on her and they should not be allowed to get away with that. But making laws that take away her freedom to be her own person - I can't see how that is helpful.

I'm saying that they mostly don't have any freedom to be their own persons.

The law is the least of their worries.

I jumped ahead a bit. RP has said something about how women who wear the burqa should be "shamed and reeducated". My original response to which you replied was to him, and I responded again under the assumption that such a program would be undertaken as part of the law.

It matters not either way, my main point is that their freedom is not promoted by *us* telling them what to do, a la "helping them to make the right choices". Telling as opposed to suggesting - I have no problem with suggesting, with activism on behalf of Muslim women, with attempting to promote their freedom (e.g. tough sentences for people convicted of honour killing). I think that even in the Middle East we will see progress on these fronts.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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08-08-2014, 04:54 AM
RE: Gym Girls.
(08-08-2014 12:03 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 06:50 PM)Chas Wrote:  I'm saying that they mostly don't have any freedom to be their own persons.

The law is the least of their worries.

I jumped ahead a bit. RP has said something about how women who wear the burqa should be "shamed and reeducated". My original response to which you replied was to him, and I responded again under the assumption that such a program would be undertaken as part of the law.

It matters not either way, my main point is that their freedom is not promoted by *us* telling them what to do, a la "helping them to make the right choices". Telling as opposed to suggesting - I have no problem with suggesting, with activism on behalf of Muslim women, with attempting to promote their freedom (e.g. tough sentences for people convicted of honour killing). I think that even in the Middle East we will see progress on these fronts.

I hadn't seen the "shamed and re-educated" crap. Facepalm

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08-08-2014, 08:40 AM
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I said "ashamed"! Stop putting words in my mouth!

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