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02-04-2011, 06:38 PM
 
HB2454 proposes entrance of intelligent design into higher education curriculum
University Star
March 23rd

There are a few truisms about Texans and their mindset that tend to hold firm throughout the course of our great state’s history. One that rings truest of all is the unabashed love of God, guns and country. Namely that of a Judeo-Christian God. This mindset doesn’t personally bring me too much stress, because when I enter my classrooms each semester I know the clear divide between church and state will still be there. Well, maybe — until now.

On March 8, Rep. Bill Zedler (R-96) introduced HB 2454, a bill that would prohibit discrimination against students and faculty who wanted to research (or teach) the theory of intelligent design, or “other alternate theories of the origination and development of organisms.” This would be a great act on behalf of academics, save for two pesky little problems. Intelligent design isn’t taught as a theory in classrooms because it is religiously based (grounded in Biblical theology), and disregarded by the scientific community as an unsound theory. i.e. Not science. (Continues)



You know, long years ago the Christian Taliban, aka at that time "The Moral Majority", attempted to rule this nation from the head down. They ran Pat Robertson for President. Someone who thought "unrepentant homosexuality" and abortion should be death penalty offenses!

This coming from a televangelist fraud who makes millions off his, "operation blessing", while his tax exempt foray into those areas to help those less fortunate, makes a premium in his exploiting the resource of conflict metals that are at a premium there, for the west's consumption of technology.

So, after the MM got their ass kicked at the polls and Pat lost, the MM decided they'd take a new track to making America into their image and likeness. They'd start to infiltrate from the grass roots up. All secular avenues from school boards to the legislature in each State.

And now we see the Republicans in majority in the House. We see South Dakota who just passed what became the most restrictive abortion law on record yet. (3 day wait, mandatory christian spiritual counseling before the abortion). In various States restrictive anti-abortion laws are on paper waiting to be decided. All proffered by radical right wing Rethuglicans working to make America into a Christian nation, whether we the people like it or not, so that we're forced to comply with Christian values by law!

And now this. A higher education institution having to face a fable as science, because to do otherwise is discrimination.

At this point, the emotion of the moment in reflecting on everything the Christian Taliban intends and has thus far accomplished, I can say quite honestly to hell with tolerance. Which is only afforded to what is intolerable.
I fucking hate Christianity and the Christian fascist thugs who think they have a right to curb my rights!

Now maybe that's harsh. Maybe what I did after I first thought of that, looking at it as how I'm feeling now is how Fundy Christians have felt for over 200 years, is then a matter of turning the tables.
However, I think it's odd and yet fascinating how America and the global politic and current events have altered in this new century.

For America it seems like we're becoming those countries that our military campaigns in the 20th century thought to liberate unto freedom and Democracy. So that now we're becoming what they were, while they are more like what we're losing one law at a time.

And those who are the "end timers" , fans of eschatology, are always a hoot. They can't wait for the world to end because they think they'll have a special get out on time ticket, so as to avoid the shit storm that'll ensue for all that are left behind.
When, if our technological advances are true, as in NASA's project Blue Beam, we can literally create what end timers expect to see as the sign their faith is right and time is up.

Holograms of Jesus coming to earth on clouds with a herald of angels escorting him, projected over Alabama while CNN was covering some live air show, would knock every Fundy in the Bible belt right to their knees.

Similarly, holograms of Muhammad making his second appearance the same way, as prophesied in the Koran, in the skies over Iraq would throw that region into a state of chaos the likes of which I can't even imagine.

So in short, after this getting it off my chest rant, I'm either alive in this moment of history to witness a great deal that is suppose to teach me profound lessons that will make me wiser, more introspective and strong. Or, there is a God and she's present in all things Boston Cream while exercising her sick twisted sense of humor fucking with me in the name of Jewish tree ornaments and bad fiction!



FUCK!



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02-04-2011, 07:05 PM
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Wow. I hope this does not come to pass for you. Should it attempt to seep into Ohio or the country at large I will know that the time has come for me to step up and fight for our rights. I assume this is being opposed? Who is on the opposing side? Can we donate?

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02-04-2011, 07:17 PM
 
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Oh, did I mention this bill is just the tip of the iceberg? Nine tips to be exact. (And counting, no doubt!:dodgySmile Linkage

I'm certain there is opposition to this. This is a matter of news I brought to the forum.
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02-04-2011, 08:20 PM
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Why is there a new creationism museum being built in Missouri? Please let me escape soon!!!!!!

Yes these past few years are completely wiping out any hope I have for the US. At least when creationists win the country will slowly lose all of it's technology and become the biggest target ever. Denounce the fields that create everything and eventually no one can use any of it.

I am really tired of religion's strangle hold. I am trying to get out as soon as I can or I will end up getting myself killed over something like this. I get a little more violent each time it just gets thrown in my face.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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02-04-2011, 08:46 PM
 
RE: HB2454 proposes entrance of intelligent design into higher education curriculum
Strafford Missouri, to be exact.
It's one thing to open a museum, which is much like the Holy Land Experience for all it's worth. It's a religious themed facility that features fiction that comforts the needy.
A curriculum in a higher education facility that very often receives federal funding, or a government public school system, is quite another matter.

There is hope in opposition, however. Some things don't have to be tolerated! Wink

Creation Museum Founder Disinvited from Homeschooling Conferences
I was member of a forum where a far right wing extremist Fundy Christian, used this picture as his avatar. He saw secular society as an enemy of his faith and believed there was a concentrated offensive within the secular realm to destroy his religion. He believed the Bible was written by God, dictated as it were, and everything in it was absolutely true.

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02-04-2011, 09:16 PM
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Yeah but before the museum even had a temp site in Strafford (they want Branson) it had 501c3 status. It should not be considered such a thing.... that part is more me not wanting my home to go worse than it is.

My main post was about the issue of attacking schools. I just opened with the museum. I'm afraid the bill will pass in Missouri... The state is just exceptional at bad politics. As far as colleges there's no reason there aren't creationism classes. You just would have it as a humanities elective rather than a science class. I really don't see the issue there when they have classes like The Simpsons and Philosophy. Public schools though it is not an elective credit. Though in most of the states on that list it makes little difference. Missouri has horrid public schooling. No matter what they teach it won't really affect much. City schools in St. Louis aren't even accredited public schools.

Were I in a class and this came up I would've walked out, just like I avoided any demand of religion at any time during school sessions (outside of choir songs). I got myself a GED for being unfit for public school (too stressed to waste my time on shit I already knew). So it's not like I wasn't going to walk out. I'm not normally that aggressive towards things, but when there isn't really suggested much choice in the matter I force my answer to be known. I've been oppressed in many ways and my answer to that is to demand it not happen.

To those who think supporting creationism in classrooms as a science is not oppressive remember that it relies on a book that a large portion of the world doesn't agree with. Anyone not Christian is opposed to the tenants of creationism, not just atheists. If free schooling is handed over to the Christians who have always been happy to pay for a Christian education, how is that fare to all the non Christian families that now have to find private schools for their children?

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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03-04-2011, 02:17 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2011 01:49 AM by MasterRottweiler.)
RE: HB2454 proposes entrance of intelligent design into higher education curriculum
Hello there!

Well, here in Mexico things are not so diferent than in the US. Here we have the catholic taliban trying to force their ways to all mexican people Big Grin

I went to a religious school where we were forced to learn abour creationism alongside evolution, the only "good" thing was that it was a private school and Mexican constitution says that religion must be out from public/goverment schools.

But the thing is; a year ago, the catholic church also wanted the congress to make an amendment to the 3rd article of our bill of rights (This article basically says that public education MUST be secular among other things), in which religion (catholic of course...) must be introduced in public schools, open TV and of course get more political power, fortunately the congress didn't aprove it.

Like the US Bible Belt, we have our own Bible Belt here in Mexico, and those states are closer to becoming a theocracy with absurd laws and of course horrible punishments, opression against atheists, homosexuals, and people in general who dare to not think like them.

(02-04-2011 09:16 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  To those who think supporting creationism in classrooms as a science is not oppressive remember that it relies on a book that a large portion of the world doesn't agree with. Anyone not Christian is opposed to the tenants of creationism, not just atheists. If free schooling is handed over to the Christians who have always been happy to pay for a Christian education, how is that fare to all the non Christian families that now have to find private schools for their children?

Totally agree with you Lilith! Big Grin

Of course I see this like a Judeo-Christian Taliban, and this issues in my country are not so different from what you are seeing in the US, of course this is about force all people to accept their ways and live according to their obsolete and immoral ideals.

This is when religion becomes a menace, when religious institutions are allowed to get in the politic system and start making absurd laws and immoral punishments IMO.

Is it oppresive? YES, Is it immoral and stupid? HELL YES!

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04-04-2011, 09:44 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2011 09:48 AM by TrainWreck.)
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If the students have the right to decline the class, then atheists should have no problem with the legislation.

I do not want anybody to be designated "atheist," if they claim they were duped into believing in the theory of Intelligent Design 0r Creationism. those types of atheists are not allowed, they will pollute the discussions with confused theories. And that is how we can establish our political hierarchy

Humanism - ontological doctrine that posits that humans define reality
Theism - ontological doctrine that posits a supernatural entity creates and defines reality
Atheism - political doctrine opposed to theist doctrine in public policy
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04-04-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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(04-04-2011 09:44 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  If the students have the right to decline the class, then atheists should have no problem with the legislation.

I do not want anybody to be designated "atheist," if they claim they were duped into believing in the theory of Intelligent Design 0r Creationism. those types of atheists are not allowed, they will pollute the discussions with confused theories. And that is how we can establish our political hierarchy
I would posit that no one who would consider themselves, designated atheists would be or claim to be duped into believing in the faux science of ID or the fable of Creationism.

I would further state that the issue here, even though it concerns a college and an elective course in ID/Creationism, is that it then sets a precedent of sorts so that the claim for permitting it into a private property campus curriculum being that of avoidance of the charge of discrimination can then, if sustained, be the vehicle for Theists to later pursue Creationism/ID to be taught in public schools not as an elective but rather as a compulsory subject for science credit, because to refuse would be discriminatory by precedent.

Because, ID theory is religious creationism disguised so as to fall under the radar of that what would prohibit religious instruction in public government schools, due to the separation clause implied via the First amendment.

So to have a higher education center achieve success in introducing an elective course study in ID (Creationism) in a private higher education campus center where students pay tuition to attend, because it was permitted so as to avoid the appearance of discrimination then permits public government tax funded schools to argue against discrimination, when seeking to interject a new science into the curriculum based on what was argued and decided in a private higher education center. Simply because, ID doesn't preach or minister a God theory. Rather it posits a theoretical intelligence as responsible for all that is created.
God, in disguise as it were. And so it doesn't stand to be seen as a religious doctrine and thus prohibited in the public education centers.

Such pretense is the vehicle for supplanting the separation of church and State while at the same time, implying special exception be afforded for those articles that are espoused within the monotheistic religion of Christianity because the facade afforded them does not expressly preach or minister a God factor.

If Christians are so intent on their faith system being the only one that is absolute and correct, they need reconsider how they apply subterfuge and misrepresentation to their philosophy in order to interject it into every aspect of secular society.

If Christians expect their fable to be furthered in learning institutions, regardless of the will of those who stand in minority to their cult population, then they must fund parochial schools and Christian colleges and Universities. Where they are free to instruct at will, what they hold sacred. While respecting the rights of others who do not wish to partake, or be indoctrinated by subterfuge.

Anything less is weak and immoral and instructs in it's own right the cowardice afforded a cult that can not bear to imagine their membership does not have the right to influence every aspect of society to accept or at least be exposed to, their religious doctrines.
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04-04-2011, 11:27 AM
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(04-04-2011 11:09 AM)GassyKitten Wrote:  If Christians are so intent on their faith system being the only one that is absolute and correct, they need reconsider how they apply subterfuge and misrepresentation to their philosophy in order to interject it into every aspect of secular society.

If Christians expect their fable to be furthered in learning institutions, regardless of the will of those who stand in minority to their cult population, then they must fund parochial schools and Christian colleges and Universities. Where they are free to instruct at will, what they hold sacred. While respecting the rights of others who do not wish to partake, or be indoctrinated by subterfuge.

Anything less is weak and immoral and instructs in it's own right the cowardice afforded a cult that can not bear to imagine their membership does not have the right to influence every aspect of society to accept or at least be exposed to, their religious doctrines.
Expecting morality from the majority will get you disappointed every time. Same for expecting anything but cowardice out of people who start brainwashing their children straight out of the womb. It is extremely cowardly to say "I can't take the chance of my offspring not believing the same myths to be truth that I do, so I must indoctrinate NOW." All we can do is educate and fight, not hope for a change in heart or ethical bearing.

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