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05-11-2014, 12:09 PM
RE: Ham in hot water
(28-10-2014 05:26 PM)CleverUsername Wrote:  I think this is old news. I can distinctly remember thinking "Why on Earth would anyone but a Christian want to work there in the first place?".
For a paycheck with which to put food on the table. When you've been unemployed long enough you don't get too picky about who's signing the check.

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05-11-2014, 02:48 PM
RE: Ham in hot water
Q -

Your argument isn't terribly consistent. Let's try a quick thought experiment.

I will start a museum for critical thought. I will require all employees to sign a waiver saying they don't believe in any sort of deity, religion or supernatural absurdity.

What do you anticipate the public reaction will be?
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05-11-2014, 03:14 PM
RE: Ham in hot water
(05-11-2014 02:48 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Q -

Your argument isn't terribly consistent. Let's try a quick thought experiment.

I will start a museum for critical thought. I will require all employees to sign a waiver saying they don't believe in any sort of deity, religion or supernatural absurdity.

What do you anticipate the public reaction will be?

I would LIE to get in. HAHAHAHAHA! Put one over the evil atheists. *I* LIED when I signed that piece of paper saying I support rational thought. THAT'LL really show them!

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05-11-2014, 03:50 PM
RE: Ham in hot water
(28-10-2014 05:26 PM)CleverUsername Wrote:  I think this is old news. I can distinctly remember thinking "Why on Earth would anyone but a Christian want to work there in the first place?".

I would totally take that job. In a heartbeat. If they can make it through a single day without harassing me to an actionable degree I would be amazed.

That place is a lawsuit gold mine just waiting to happen.

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06-11-2014, 10:45 AM
RE: Ham in hot water
(05-11-2014 06:58 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 02:47 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  For example, I don't know the length and breadth of the universe and whether there might be supernatural beings somewhere else in the universe or outside of it. That would take a large amount of special knowledge.

This is true. I also do not know if there are supernatural entities. I do know know whether or not YHWH, Allah, leprechauns, or wizards exist. I will not assume they do until I see some evidence of their existence. Claiming that one of those exists and that the others do not is incredibly dishonest.

In a decision-theoretic context, I can see for myself the issues in the Qu'ran, for one example, having read about two-thirds of it (in English, admittedly, not Arabic). And don't think that wasn't fun! (Because it wasn't.) Smile I can see statements in the Bible and see if they're true or false, too, same as anyone else. And since I began my pre-Christian background as a skeptic, I first read the Bible as an adult without any confirmatory bias. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Allah was not a good choice that you made because the Koran is invalidated by the presence of a Jewish State in Israel. This is why there is so much violence from the moslem world to eradicate Israel. Issac's descendants, not Ishmael's, inherited the land.

Again, and I know you have a background in Christianity, but your assumption from a relativistic view that absence of consensus (or in this case, even absence of evidence) means absence of truth, is incorrect.

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06-11-2014, 10:47 AM
RE: Ham in hot water
(05-11-2014 02:48 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Q -

Your argument isn't terribly consistent. Let's try a quick thought experiment.

I will start a museum for critical thought. I will require all employees to sign a waiver saying they don't believe in any sort of deity, religion or supernatural absurdity.

What do you anticipate the public reaction will be?

If its critical thought, you are showing a bias. If it's skeptical thought, the right group has come together.

You see, where everyone's argument falls apart is that churches all over America are tax-exempt and absolutely hire pastors, priests, etc. precisely according to extremely specific criteria.

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06-11-2014, 12:46 PM
RE: Ham in hot water
(06-11-2014 10:47 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 02:48 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Q -

Your argument isn't terribly consistent. Let's try a quick thought experiment.

I will start a museum for critical thought. I will require all employees to sign a waiver saying they don't believe in any sort of deity, religion or supernatural absurdity.

What do you anticipate the public reaction will be?

If its critical thought, you are showing a bias. If it's skeptical thought, the right group has come together.

You see, where everyone's argument falls apart is that churches all over America are tax-exempt and absolutely hire pastors, priests, etc. precisely according to extremely specific criteria.

Yes, because that is a legal exception. A 'museum' does not have that protection.

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06-11-2014, 01:59 PM
RE: Ham in hot water
(06-11-2014 12:46 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(06-11-2014 10:47 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  If its critical thought, you are showing a bias. If it's skeptical thought, the right group has come together.

You see, where everyone's argument falls apart is that churches all over America are tax-exempt and absolutely hire pastors, priests, etc. precisely according to extremely specific criteria.

Yes, because that is a legal exception. A 'museum' does not have that protection.

You can have a museum in a church, just like you can have a mausoleum inside an atheist society hall.

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06-11-2014, 02:01 PM
RE: Ham in hot water
(06-11-2014 01:59 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(06-11-2014 12:46 PM)Chas Wrote:  Yes, because that is a legal exception. A 'museum' does not have that protection.

You can have a museum in a church, just like you can have a mausoleum inside an atheist society hall.

But that's not what we're talking about. Do try to stay on track. Drinking Beverage

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06-11-2014, 02:22 PM
RE: Ham in hot water
(06-11-2014 02:01 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(06-11-2014 01:59 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  You can have a museum in a church, just like you can have a mausoleum inside an atheist society hall.

But that's not what we're talking about. Do try to stay on track. Drinking Beverage

I apologize, I'm ready for a new track. You are saying that Ken Ham was jeopardizing his funding and I stand corrected.

However, do you think withholding his funding is any way an abrogation of his freedom of association?

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