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26-08-2015, 10:43 AM
RE: Harmonizing the Gospels
(26-08-2015 10:37 AM)Tonechaser77 Wrote:  
(26-08-2015 10:31 AM)jennybee Wrote:  Right, but metaphors can sometimes be used to help drag them out of crazyville by putting things in a real world perspective.

I agree completely that metaphors are useful...this is why i said:

Quote:They are just additional stories to help bridge a gap of understanding

I think we're on the semantics ground here..."dragging them out of crazyville" is just the "hip" way of saying what I said. I get it JB...you are coolor than me! Bowing Laugh out loadCool

But they still aren't evidence of anything.

no not evidence. but i find when i am talking to a christian friend--using metaphors makes them pause for thought. when i provide evidence they will refer to the bible as their evidence and don't need to look any further. for the ones that do--they cite a"scientific" book by Ray Comfort or others like that they speak to their brainwashed agenda. you are right though--a debate with theists--you need actual evidence. sorry for lowercase--i'm eating breakfast Big Grin

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26-08-2015, 10:45 AM
RE: Harmonizing the Gospels
(26-08-2015 10:43 AM)jennybee Wrote:  no not evidence. but i find when i am talking to a christian friend--using metaphors makes them pause for thought. when i provide evidence they will refer to the bible as their evidence and don't need to look any further. for the ones that do--they cite a"scientific" book by Ray Comfort or others like that they speak to their brainwashed agenda. you are right though--a debate with theists--you need actual evidence. sorry for lowercase--i'm eating breakfast Big Grin

No apologies needed, it's just me!

Oh and how dare you say Ray Comfort and scientist in the same sentence! That's worse than picking up sticks on the sabbath or making fun of old men with no hair.

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26-08-2015, 11:06 AM
RE: Harmonizing the Gospels
(26-08-2015 10:45 AM)Tonechaser77 Wrote:  
(26-08-2015 10:43 AM)jennybee Wrote:  no not evidence. but i find when i am talking to a christian friend--using metaphors makes them pause for thought. when i provide evidence they will refer to the bible as their evidence and don't need to look any further. for the ones that do--they cite a"scientific" book by Ray Comfort or others like that they speak to their brainwashed agenda. you are right though--a debate with theists--you need actual evidence. sorry for lowercase--i'm eating breakfast Big Grin

No apologies needed, it's just me!

Oh and how dare you say Ray Comfort and scientist in the same sentence! That's worse than picking up sticks on the sabbath or making fun of old men with no hair.

May the she bears commence to mauling your ass. Gasp LaughatAngel Heart

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26-08-2015, 11:16 AM
RE: Harmonizing the Gospels
I came to ask "did anyone else think this was gonna be about music?"

As usual, you guys did not disappoint. Thumbsup

(25-08-2015 07:28 PM)julep Wrote:  My mind went immediately to gospel choirs. Then to Bach chorales.

I'm not sure the gospels are starting from the same tune (or, to use your analogy, from the traffic accident's witnesses--it's more like the witnesses's spouses and kids). The first tune is (at least) one level removed from where the gospels start. That's why it's impossible to harmonize them at a rational level.

(25-08-2015 11:08 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  ..... okay, now I'm imagining Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John as a barbershop quartet.

(26-08-2015 07:59 AM)Can_of_Beans Wrote:  
(25-08-2015 11:08 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  ..... okay, now I'm imagining Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John as a barbershop quartet.

You don't have to imagine. The Statler brothers already harmonized the gospels like that. Smile

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26-08-2015, 12:57 PM
RE: Harmonizing the Gospels
When I was young and they packed me off to school
And they taught me how not to play the game
Oh, I didn't mind if they groomed me for success
Or if they said that I was just a fool

So I left there in the morning
With their God under my arm
Their half assed smiles and the book of rules

Then I asked this God a question
And by way of firm reply
He said, "I'm not the kind you have to wind-up on Sundays"

And to my old headmaster and to anyone who cares
Before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers
Oh, I don't believe you, you had the whole damn thing all wrong

And he's not the kind you have to wind-up on Sunday
Well, you can excommunicate me on my way to Sunday school
And have all the Bishops harmonize these lines

How do you dare tell me that I'm my father's son
When that was just an accident of birth?
Oh, I'd rather look around me, compose a better song

'Cos that's the honest measure of my worth
And in your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me
As you lick the boots of death born out of fear

When I was young and they packed me off to school
And they taught me how not to play the game
Oh, I didn't mind if they groomed me for success
Or if they said that I was just a fool

And so I left there in the morning
With their God under my arm
The half assed smiles and the book of rules

And you can excommunicate me on my way to Sunday school
And have all the Bishops harmonize these lines

When I was young and they packed me off to school
And they taught me how not to play the game
Oh, I didn't mind if they groomed me for success
Or if they said that I was just a fool

And so to my old headmaster and to anyone who cares
Before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers
And you can excommunicate me on my way to Sunday school
And have all the Bishops harmonize these lines

I don't believe you, you had the whole damn thing all wrong
And he's not the kind you have to wind-up on a Sunday




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26-08-2015, 01:49 PM
RE: Harmonizing the Gospels
The gospels don't know agree about the timing of the crucifixion . In Mark Jesus was crucified at 9:00 am and John put the crucifixion at about noon.

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26-08-2015, 02:00 PM
RE: Harmonizing the Gospels
I always preferred "My God" to "Wind Up", personally, but the entire album was pure gold.

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26-08-2015, 02:06 PM
RE: Harmonizing the Gospels
(26-08-2015 02:00 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  I always preferred "My God" to "Wind Up", personally, but the entire album was pure gold.

That'd be a close call for me. Wind Up was the choice here because of the reference in it to harmonizing.

It is definitely one of my favorite albums.

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26-08-2015, 02:15 PM
RE: Harmonizing the Gospels
(26-08-2015 02:06 PM)unfogged Wrote:  It is definitely one of my favorite albums.

Oh, absolutely. "Locomotive Breath" is, I think, the single best song Jethro Tull ever produced, and very much a contender for best song of the era. "Aqualung" is just barely behind that, so the album is already ridiculously good - but then you throw in "Cross-Eyed Mary", "Hymn 43", "Cheap Day Return", "Wind Up", "My God"... it's amazing.

Fun fact: "Cross-Eyed Mary" is one of the most frequently covered songs of all time. In fact, my favorite modern rock band, Clutch, performed it for their Sucking The 70s compilation (though it's far from their best work; for that, look to some of their more modern fare). Even Iron Maiden did it.

Funny that a folk-rock band like Jethro Tull would get so many homages from distinctly metal groups.

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26-08-2015, 03:13 PM
RE: Harmonizing the Gospels
(26-08-2015 12:57 PM)unfogged Wrote:  When I was young and they packed me off to school
And they taught me how not to play the game
Oh, I didn't mind if they groomed me for success
Or if they said that I was just a fool

So I left there in the morning
With their God under my arm
Their half assed smiles and the book of rules

Then I asked this God a question
And by way of firm reply
He said, "I'm not the kind you have to wind-up on Sundays"

And to my old headmaster and to anyone who cares
Before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers
Oh, I don't believe you, you had the whole damn thing all wrong

And he's not the kind you have to wind-up on Sunday
Well, you can excommunicate me on my way to Sunday school
And have all the Bishops harmonize these lines

How do you dare tell me that I'm my father's son
When that was just an accident of birth?
Oh, I'd rather look around me, compose a better song

'Cos that's the honest measure of my worth
And in your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me
As you lick the boots of death born out of fear

When I was young and they packed me off to school
And they taught me how not to play the game
Oh, I didn't mind if they groomed me for success
Or if they said that I was just a fool

And so I left there in the morning
With their God under my arm
The half assed smiles and the book of rules

And you can excommunicate me on my way to Sunday school
And have all the Bishops harmonize these lines

When I was young and they packed me off to school
And they taught me how not to play the game
Oh, I didn't mind if they groomed me for success
Or if they said that I was just a fool

And so to my old headmaster and to anyone who cares
Before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers
And you can excommunicate me on my way to Sunday school
And have all the Bishops harmonize these lines

I don't believe you, you had the whole damn thing all wrong
And he's not the kind you have to wind-up on a Sunday




Great album.

I also really like "roots to branches"
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