Has America created a dictatorship?
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23-12-2014, 05:58 PM
RE: Has America created a dictatorship?
(21-12-2014 04:50 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  
(21-12-2014 04:30 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  Franklin D. Roosevelt used an executive order to imprison American citizens of Japanese descent.

Dwight Eisenhower used an executive order to integrate a high school in Little Rock Arkansas.

John Kennedy used an executive order to grant federal employees the right to unionize.

Do some studying before making outrageous comments.

Yeah and Jefferson made the Louisiana Purchase without the consent of congress. It was illegal as well as Historian Stephen Ambrose points out. The difference is the congress, with the exception of a very few, agreed with those executive orders and didn't even vote to stop the orders from happening. And if they did vote they got like 3 votes to overturn and the rest were to proceed with the order. Get it?

Um, excuse me but what the fuck are you talking about?

The senate ratified the treaty approving the Louisiana Purchase.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-histo...a-purchase

Quote:On this day in 1803, the U.S. Senate approves a treaty with France providing for the purchase of the territory of Louisiana, which would double the size of the United States.

True, Jefferson himself had some qualms about the constitutionality of the purchase as his ambassadors had sought only to buy New Orleans and ended up with considerably more. But this was an age when diplomatic instructions took six months to go round trip and ambassadors had considerable leeway. If the Senate had disapproved they could have voted "no."

They voted "yes."

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23-12-2014, 06:18 PM
RE: Has America created a dictatorship?
(23-12-2014 06:23 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(23-12-2014 06:06 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  I've been to Germany, and over 75 other countries after 10 years in the U.S. Military. Not one place I visited was even close the America.
Yeah, I'll give you that. There probably is no other country in the world in which people are so fanatical about patriotism, religion, politics and guns.

Pick any war torn, third-ish world country. I'm going to say The Democratic Republic of Congo.

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23-12-2014, 07:20 PM
RE: Has America created a dictatorship?
(23-12-2014 01:50 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(23-12-2014 01:47 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  Yes, they are both constitutional rights in this country, and in a perfect world, we wouldn't need ID for either.

In a perfect world you'd be in a straitjacket. You're a lunatic.

No doubt. Those crazy dissenters! Only a madman could disagree with leftism!

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23-12-2014, 07:31 PM
RE: Has America created a dictatorship?
(23-12-2014 07:20 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(23-12-2014 01:50 PM)morondog Wrote:  In a perfect world you'd be in a straitjacket. You're a lunatic.

No doubt. Those crazy dissenters! Only a madman could disagree with leftism!

Yep, it's opinions that are where these judgement are made. Not by constitutive use or fallacies and irrational claims in points.. no it's never that element, it's always the opinions man. There's plenty of non-considered trolls or lunatic right wingers here, from Germanty to others onward... but they know how to communicate and think rationally so they're not dismissed as nuts.

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24-12-2014, 01:00 AM
RE: Has America created a dictatorship?
(23-12-2014 07:20 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(23-12-2014 01:50 PM)morondog Wrote:  In a perfect world you'd be in a straitjacket. You're a lunatic.

No doubt. Those crazy dissenters! Only a madman could disagree with leftism!

Kid, I appreciate the effort I really do, but sarcasm isn't your forte.

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24-12-2014, 01:15 AM
RE: Has America created a dictatorship?
(23-12-2014 02:38 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  
(23-12-2014 02:35 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  But not someone who is a legal resident but not a citizen to illegally vote.
Depends on the jurisdiction. States with proper steps in place, can and do prevent illegal voters from voting. If you look closely at the places that don't want voter ID laws, you'll see democrats in charge. That's how they win.


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"In short, voter ID laws are simply racially-motivated solutions to a problem that never existed."

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24-12-2014, 02:59 AM
RE: Has America created a dictatorship?
(24-12-2014 01:15 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(23-12-2014 02:38 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  Depends on the jurisdiction. States with proper steps in place, can and do prevent illegal voters from voting. If you look closely at the places that don't want voter ID laws, you'll see democrats in charge. That's how they win.


Revealing Discriminatory Intent: Legislator Preferences, Voter Identification, and Responsiveness Bias

Study finds strong evidence for discriminatory intent behind voter ID laws - The Washington Post

How Voter ID Laws Are Being Used to Disenfranchise Minorities and the Poor - The Atlantic

Everything You’ve Ever Wanted to Know About Voter ID Laws - ProPublica

Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet - American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)

"In short, voter ID laws are simply racially-motivated solutions to a problem that never existed."

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Now I'm curious as to why this is an issue at all... Why do minorities have such low rates of ID ownership as to be significantly damaged in terms of political capacity by such laws?

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24-12-2014, 03:42 AM (This post was last modified: 24-12-2014 03:45 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Has America created a dictatorship?
(24-12-2014 02:59 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(24-12-2014 01:15 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Revealing Discriminatory Intent: Legislator Preferences, Voter Identification, and Responsiveness Bias

Study finds strong evidence for discriminatory intent behind voter ID laws - The Washington Post

How Voter ID Laws Are Being Used to Disenfranchise Minorities and the Poor - The Atlantic

Everything You’ve Ever Wanted to Know About Voter ID Laws - ProPublica

Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet - American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)

"In short, voter ID laws are simply racially-motivated solutions to a problem that never existed."

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Now I'm curious as to why this is an issue at all... Why do minorities have such low rates of ID ownership as to be significantly damaged in terms of political capacity by such laws?

A valid question. I myself didn't have a valid state photo ID until I was 22, because I took a public bus to get to college and I walked to work. A the time I didn't have a car, nor did I need one to go about my week. If I had needed a state-issued ID to vote, I wouldn't have been able to exercise my Constitutionally protected right to vote. Why aren't there exemptions for student photo-ID's? Because the Republicans pushing these bills block the amendments to them for just such provisions. Kind of sheds a light on their intent, because it's not really about preventing fraud, it's about making it harder for those who tends to lean heavily Democrat (poor, minorities, students) to vote.

If you were going to commit voter fraud, getting a bunch of people to commit enough voter fraud to in any way swing an election is simply unfeasible. In person voter fraud is practically nonexistent, even without voter ID laws. It is enough effort to go out and vote once, and it's already an activity with such a low population participation, that the idea that people would be doing this enough to affect elections is absurd. You don't get a posse of poor people and immigrants and buss then around from voting location to voting location, you do what the Republicans try to do; fraudulently tamper with the votes after they have been cast, or do your best to mislead or scare those who you think will not vote Republican. Massive in-person voter fraud to swing an election would be like trying to rob a Casino by shoplifting 50 cent tokens one at a time; it's just about the most inefficient way to go about doing it. Facepalm







I would have had to make time in my work and school schedule, line that up with getting a ride from someone else, and make sure that this is all during normal business hours (when people who you can get a ride from are probably already at work themselves), then wait at the DMV (which depending on the time and location, can take anywhere from 20 minutes to a few hours), then after that you have to pay for the ID itself (which for someone already living hand to mouth even with government assistance, might be hard to get a hold of). Hell, after school supplies and books, my bus passes, sometimes I would have been hard pressed to have had $25 on hand to just spend on an ID to vote.

In-person voter ID fraud is just another Republican bogey-man they use to scare-monger to get their way and attempt to rig the system more in their favor, because they're not stupid (at least not the RNC beltway power brokers), just very unscrupulous. Everyone sees the demographic trends, and the party who represents only older affluent straight white people will find it harder and harder to be elected as the demographics shift more black, latino, LGBT, and younger.

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24-12-2014, 08:04 AM
RE: Has America created a dictatorship?
I have worked loss prevention for 5 years. The majority of people I catch stealing are young and low income. Less than 5% do not have a state issued ID on them when I make the apprehension. Our policy is that we have to have the cops come out to identify people without ID. In most cases, especially since I moved to Florida, the people without ID were illegal immigrants and had to be taken in for fingerprinting. Very few, and I mean just a handful over the years, were American citizens without ID, and they usually had one in the system and had accidentally left it in the car or at home. I have worked in Los Angeles and Seattle as well, cities with high rates of minorities and it was no different.

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24-12-2014, 08:38 AM
RE: Has America created a dictatorship?
(24-12-2014 08:04 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  I have worked loss prevention for 5 years. The majority of people I catch stealing are young and low income. Less than 5% do not have a state issued ID on them when I make the apprehension. Our policy is that we have to have the cops come out to identify people without ID. In most cases, especially since I moved to Florida, the people without ID were illegal immigrants and had to be taken in for fingerprinting. Very few, and I mean just a handful over the years, were American citizens without ID, and they usually had one in the system and had accidentally left it in the car or at home. I have worked in Los Angeles and Seattle as well, cities with high rates of minorities and it was no different.

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