Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
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08-03-2013, 08:08 AM
RE: Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
(08-03-2013 08:06 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:Which, by the way, is what most atheists do regarding god; we claim we have not found evidence for god and therefore do not accept that he is likely to exist.
Define likely, please. This sounds like a belief claim to me. Since you state that we cannot prove a negative, only that we haven't found something, why wouldn't all Atheists be Agnostics?
Well, a lot of atheists are agnostic, in fact, probably most... I am. I guess you've never heard of an agnostic atheist. You should get out more.

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08-03-2013, 08:25 AM (This post was last modified: 08-03-2013 08:32 AM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
(08-03-2013 08:06 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Define likely, please.

It's traditionally defined as +/- 2 standard deviations from the mean which covers 95% of the observations.

(08-03-2013 08:08 AM)frankiej Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 08:06 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Define likely, please. This sounds like a belief claim to me. Since you state that we cannot prove a negative, only that we haven't found something, why wouldn't all Atheists be Agnostics?
Well, a lot of atheists are agnostic, in fact, probably most... I am. I guess you've never heard of an agnostic atheist. You should get out more.

Only reason I call myself an atheist is it cuts short any further discourse with metaphysical retards. I sure as hell ain't gonna tell a fundie evangelist I'm an agnostic just so I can listen to more of their drivel as they try to convert me. Only encourages their proselytizing.

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08-03-2013, 08:35 AM
RE: Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
Oh, no, I have heard all this! I just think you need to change the site name to The Thinking Agnostic and be honest...
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08-03-2013, 08:38 AM
RE: Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
(07-03-2013 04:38 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  I feel its a valuable trait to know when you are wrong, and concede. And, although very unlikely, if God were proven to exist, most here who had claimed otherwise, would admit they were wrong.

Now, I just saw Heywood Jebusblome claim that he would concede if God were proven not to exist. I'm just wondering if its even possible to prove something doesn't exist. Even if the method is out of our grasp, how COULD it be done?


I've never heard of a thing being proven non-existent, however I have heard of concepts being proved wrong...

I doubt you will ever prove unicorns don't exist, however, I feel we have a great enough understanding of evolution and species to effectively rule out the possibility of one existing...

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08-03-2013, 09:39 AM
RE: Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
IMHO you have backwards as empiricists. An empirical object cannot be proven to not exist but a concept can for practical intents and purposes. God is a "higher power" and the power of God can enter or exit one's life in practical ways via the medium of prayer. 2 + 2 = 4 and not 5 is not an empirical anything but a concept that can be demonstrated false or true.
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08-03-2013, 09:51 AM
RE: Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
(08-03-2013 09:39 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  IMHO you have backwards as empiricists. An empirical object cannot be proven to not exist but a concept can for practical intents and purposes. God is a "higher power" and the power of God can enter or exit one's life in practical ways via the medium of prayer. 2 + 2 = 4 and not 5 is not an empirical anything but a concept that can be demonstrated false or true.
Gods are concepts. They exist only in the human brain. No evidence of their existence outside the human brain exists and considerable evidence for their existence as concepts within the human brain does exist.

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08-03-2013, 10:10 AM (This post was last modified: 08-03-2013 10:23 AM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
(08-03-2013 08:38 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  I doubt you will ever prove unicorns don't exist, ...

Sure you can.

1. If unicorns had existed, then there is evidence in the fossil record.
2. There is no evidence of unicorns in the fossil record.
3. Therefore, unicorns never existed.


(08-03-2013 08:35 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Oh, no, I have heard all this! I just think you need to change the site name to The Thinking Agnostic and be honest...

To be honest, I'm neither an atheist nor an agnostic. I continually redefine God as the currently most plausible explanation. I'm a scientist. Religions' problem is they are inflexible. They will never admit redefinition. And that will be their ultimate demise.

(08-03-2013 09:39 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  God is a "higher power" and the power of God can enter or exit one's life in practical ways via the medium of prayer.

Or in even more practical ways via physics and mathematics and chemistry and astronomy and cosmology and ... it's quite a long list of ways more practical than prayer.

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08-03-2013, 10:17 AM
RE: Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
Does anything exist beyond this computer? Let's use this computer to find out...

Mathematics is axiomatic, so is thingness.

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08-03-2013, 10:25 AM
RE: Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
(08-03-2013 10:17 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Does anything exist beyond this computer? Let's use this computer to find out...

Mathematics is axiomatic, so is thingness.

Change the axioms, change the premises, change the theory, you change God. And all is as it should be, and all is right with the world.

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08-03-2013, 10:50 AM
RE: Has anything ever been proven NOT to exist?
(08-03-2013 08:06 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:Which, by the way, is what most atheists do regarding god; we claim we have not found evidence for god and therefore do not accept that he is likely to exist.
Define likely, please. This sounds like a belief claim to me. Since you state that we cannot prove a negative, only that we haven't found something, why wouldn't all Atheists be Agnostics?
Many atheists are agnostics. I am. After all your time here on this forum, you don't think those two terms are still mutually exclusive, do you?

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