Has democracy ever been synonymous with freedom?
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19-10-2012, 01:51 PM
Has democracy ever been synonymous with freedom?
(19-10-2012 01:47 PM)kim Wrote:  
(19-10-2012 01:14 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Has Communism ever been synonymous with Freedom?

Kind of... but it kind of depends on who is making it synonymous.

Marx never presented communism to be continual... he felt that pure communism or full communism is a specific stage of historical development. He meant it to be the end result of socialism... in other words, socialism would be a transitional period. Lenin added to Marx's theory the notion of a the proletariat which would secure all political power after the revolution for the working class, for the development of universal class consciousness and worker participation, in a transitional stage between capitalism and socialism.

Trotsky felt that communism was freedom... as long as it was not allowed to stagnate. His form of communism was mixed with... quite interestingly, democracy. Trotsky most importantly declared the need for an international proletarian revolution (rather than socialism in one country) and unwavering support for a true dictatorship of the proletariat based on democratic principles. Pretty snarky that Trotsky... probably why Stalin had him killed. His shit never completely caught on... but his ideas have been greatly entertained in South American countries such as Argentina and Brazil. You know... where all the Nazis went after the war. Smile

Which Marx? I hope it wasn't Zeppo. He's such a stick in the mud. I wouldn't take much of his work very seriously.

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19-10-2012, 01:53 PM
RE: Has democracy ever been synonymous with freedom?
(19-10-2012 01:51 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Which Marx? I hope it wasn't Zeppo. He's such a stick in the mud. I wouldn't take much of his work very seriously.

Harpo. He was always the brains behind it all. Wink

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19-10-2012, 01:57 PM
Has democracy ever been synonymous with freedom?
(19-10-2012 01:53 PM)kim Wrote:  
(19-10-2012 01:51 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Which Marx? I hope it wasn't Zeppo. He's such a stick in the mud. I wouldn't take much of his work very seriously.

Harpo. He was always the brains behind it all. Wink

I just read that there was a Gummo Marx. I don't remember Gummo. Huh

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19-10-2012, 01:58 PM
RE: Has democracy ever been synonymous with freedom?
(19-10-2012 01:57 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(19-10-2012 01:53 PM)kim Wrote:  Harpo. He was always the brains behind it all. Wink

I just read that there was a Gummo Marx. I don't remember Gummo. Huh

I do, he couldn't hold a candle to ZeppoDrinking Beverage

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19-10-2012, 02:11 PM
RE: Has democracy ever been synonymous with freedom?
(19-10-2012 01:58 PM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  
(19-10-2012 01:57 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  I just read that there was a Gummo Marx. I don't remember Gummo. Huh

I do, he couldn't hold a candle to ZeppoDrinking Beverage

Early on, Gummo was in the stage shows but soon found out he was the only one who could manage the money properly. So, that's what he did - he became the the manager of the brothers. Zeppo was the "pretty" one, Groucho was the "wily" one, Harpo was the "silent" one(much loved and considered by many to be a genius), Chico was the chick chaser - hence his name. All were multi talented and scathingly intelligent except with money... they had no concept of it. They would never have survived as a family act, had it not been for Gummo's skill with numbers.

So see... math matters. Thumbsup

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19-10-2012, 02:14 PM
RE: Has democracy ever been synonymous with freedom?
(19-10-2012 02:11 PM)kim Wrote:  
(19-10-2012 01:58 PM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  I do, he couldn't hold a candle to ZeppoDrinking Beverage

Early on, Gummo was in the stage shows but soon found out he was the only one who could manage the money properly. So, that's what he did - he became the the manager of the brothers. Zeppo was the "pretty" one, Groucho was the "wily" one, Harpo was the "silent" one(much loved and considered by many to be a genius), Chico was the chick chaser - hence his name. All were multi talented and scathingly intelligent except with money... they had no concept of it. They would never have survived as a family act, had it not been for Gummo's skill with numbers.

So see... math matters. Thumbsup

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