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02-08-2011, 06:21 PM (This post was last modified: 02-08-2011 06:30 PM by tazmin98.)
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
Quote:I fully believe the average citizen DOES believe in bringing democracy to other countries, I just don't believe the politicians do what they start these wars. I also think that bringing democracy to other countries can open a whole can of worms as half the time these other countries don't want/ask for democracy in the first place whereas places that are crying out for it (Zimbabwe) don't get any help at all.

What I don't understand is why the EU can't help countries that do need democracy. Is it because money or because we don't have anything to give them?Undecided
( I am from Zimbabwe but live in England(British citizen)
Wish Britain stayed in Rhodesia, thing would have been better)


What is scary about America is the religious bigots( coughandpoliticianscough)

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02-08-2011, 07:06 PM
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
Quote:What I don't understand is why the EU can't help countries that do need democracy. Is it because money or because we don't have anything to give them?

We could do something but there would be no benefit in it for us. I'm rather cynical and of the opinion that Governments don't do anything that doesn't benefit themselves in some way or other.

Thats why we put so much effort into 'helping' countries that sometimes clearly don't need or want our 'help' while ignoring all the real atrocities in the world.

As far as Zimbabwe goes the Government/EU see no benefit in intervening, at great cost, in something half way round the world that isn't affecting us and we would get no benefit from. The only problem is the general population (voters) are aware of problems in other places in the world (like Zimbabwe) and want action. The Goverment/EU solution to this problem is to publicly condemn the events taking place, this allows them to appear to be doing something while actually doing nothing therefore keeping the majority of the voters happy while not annoying any other countries and, most importantly, not incurring a large bill.

Look at Iraq and North Korea. There are some very dubious, unconfirmed reports that Iraq may be producing weapons of mass destruction and we were straight in there. North Korea openly claims to have produced nukes and tested them and are almost certainly telling the truth and we have done practically nothing.

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Ferdinand: We don't really say 'theist' in Alabama. Here, you're either a Christian, or you're from Afghanistan and we fucking hate you.
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Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
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02-08-2011, 08:43 PM
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
Help is also a problem in many other ways (I mean, besides the self-interest angle).
In order to makes things better, you'd have to listen to what the people want and need. You'd have to study the situation, be aware of the ecology, the geography, the population(s) involved; figure out what kind of help would produce what kind of unwanted side-effects.... You'd have to pay attention and make a long-term commitment to getting it right.
Capitalist regimes are not that sustainable. They don't make investment and commitment. (I hear China does, but it's only just becoming a super-power)
That's what the UN should be doing - if it had the honest support of the "developed" [exploitative] world. If it had the support of the US. And that's something i do hold against the US: its deliberate undercutting of UN efforts to help the "developing" [exploited] world.

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03-08-2011, 10:24 AM
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
(02-08-2011 06:21 PM)tazmin98 Wrote:  
Quote:I fully believe the average citizen DOES believe in bringing democracy to other countries, I just don't believe the politicians do what they start these wars. I also think that bringing democracy to other countries can open a whole can of worms as half the time these other countries don't want/ask for democracy in the first place whereas places that are crying out for it (Zimbabwe) don't get any help at all.

What I don't understand is why the EU can't help countries that do need democracy. Is it because money or because we don't have anything to give them?Undecided
( I am from Zimbabwe but live in England(British citizen)
Wish Britain stayed in Rhodesia, thing would have been better)


What is scary about America is the religious bigots( coughandpoliticianscough)

I don't think some countries should help socially engineer other countries. Each country should help itself. We have already seen that democracy is something that must come from the people, it can't be imposed from the outside. Look at countries with tribal governments, like Somalia or Afghanistan. People there simply aren't used to dealing with a centralized government. Even if we put some kind of government in place, like in Afghanistan, people disregard it and go on with their tribal ways. Democracy is something that the people themselves come up with when they are ready. Like it happened in Egypt.

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03-08-2011, 11:14 AM
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
I'm from Canada, and I must say that the American people, in general, don't seem to be that much different than Canadians. I really have nothing against them as a people. I do, however, think that the American "democracy" is a joke (though ours isn't any better >.<). There are only two parties with a chance of getting into power, and from my perspective up here, they both appear to be pretty much the same, maybe with slight differences on some controversial issues. You guys need to shake it up and throw in a few more options (though not the Tea Party!).

In general, I feel sorry for the American population because the government appears completely incompetent at times. The school systems (everything below post-secondary) are some of the worst in the developed world, yet because of the way the system is set up, the government cannot regulate this. In my humble opinion, the US government does not intervene enough in its own affairs. There are private prisons for FSM's sake! That's inconceivable!

What really does annoy me about the US though, is that anything that is aimed at helping to reduce the enormous gap between the impoverished and the stupidly wealthy is seen as "communist" or too "socialist". Income tax, social programs, health care (why would anybody not want health care?!?!?! o.0), etc. are treated with contempt or suspicion (or both). Now, I don't know if this reflects the opinions of the majority of Americans, or if it is only the loudest who hold these opinions, but it makes me feel very sorry for the children who are born on the wrong end of the spectrum in the US. They have a long struggle ahead of them if they want to make it anywhere in life.


Oh, and while we're on the subject of media: I love British humour! Monty Python and Fawlty Towers are amazing! And I happen to love some Japanese anime, and it annoys me if I can't find the Japanese version (they tend to be darker, weirder, and more mature than the English versions).

That being said, I do enjoy American media about 99.9% more than I do Canadian media... "Trailer Park Boys" was the only good show to come out of my country.

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03-08-2011, 04:20 PM
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Quote:Oh, and while we're on the subject of media: I love British humour! Monty Python and Fawlty Towers are amazing!

If you're rather cynical politically and love British humour try watching Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister. They're brilliant!

Best and worst of Ferdinand .....
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Ferdinand: We don't really say 'theist' in Alabama. Here, you're either a Christian, or you're from Afghanistan and we fucking hate you.
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Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
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03-08-2011, 04:24 PM
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
Quote:Oh, and while we're on the subject of media: I love British humour! Monty Python and Fawlty Towers are amazing! And I happen to love some Japanese anime, and it annoys me if I can't find the Japanese version (they tend to be darker, weirder, and more mature than the English versions).

http://www.bakabt.com
It's a bit torrent site that has more anime then you can shake a stick at. Plus it's almost always in the original Japanese with subs/fan subs. You can also get manga and artwork as well as anime soundtracks there. And if you are into it, I believe the have a hentai side as well.

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04-08-2011, 05:06 AM (This post was last modified: 04-08-2011 05:11 AM by Lilith Pride.)
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
http://www.animeultima.tv/
I'm a streaming video fan myself. This site has a very extensive collection and is less bothersome than most. Streaming sites are a real pain generally. I'll watch english versions of shows made in english =p

I generally liked kids in the hall, I don't really watch enough television to know that much about any country's media outside Japan =p

Also I've decided on another response
United States' Country Reports on Human Rights Practices
Any country which actually yearly documents all the bad things all the other countries do and never discusses themselves is definitely getting some fingers waved at it.
Like China's
While complaining about the US being picked on think about how badly the people in the US talk about everyone else. This is in no way a one way street,

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04-08-2011, 06:07 AM
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
How we treat our 'enemies' varies a lot from which organization happens to have them. Hell it even depends on who is the one babysitting them in the first place. Truly though, I hate how you can call someone a terrorist and end up questioned, or worse, in prison.

I actually knew a person who was subjected to that once... it all feels like The Red Scare.

Though I find it funny that China does one on the US. I suppose it's really the only nation not threatened by the United States.

It's not that I don't mind discussing America's problems, I just have a hard time with other nations acting 'superior' to the the US and it's people.

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04-08-2011, 06:32 AM
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
At some time or other, almost every group - not just nation, much smaller groups, as well - acts or talks as if they were superior to some other group. If only to keep up internal morale.

But just listen to US media on the subject of other nations! Even if they're lucky enough to get their names pronounced correctly, they're accused of crimes without the slightest evidence, infiltrated by assassins and spies, traded and bartered like chess pieces.... and bombed to ratshit, just for being in the wrong place.
You have to expect some of those kettles to call the pot black.

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