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22-08-2011, 03:59 AM
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
Filox:
Feel free to use the name as much as you want but if you start making money from it I want a percentage ;-)

I just remembered another thing that affects the view people (at least here in Sweden) have about the US. The population of the US have the highest ecological footprint in the world.
When a large part of the world is trying to combat global warming and cut down on emissions the country with the most emissions (even though China might overtake you within a decade or two) doesn't seem to care and the voices we hear from the US is talking about global warming being a scam and that we don't need to care about the environment because it's just a conspiracy from the elitist scientists at the UN (or something similar). I know it's not the opinion of everyone in the US but it does sound a bit like that when presented in our media or when you read about the US and global warming on the Internet.

Personally I don't see what is so wrong with taking care of our planet weather you believe in global warming or not. Isn't it just common sense that if we keep taking more resources than can be created that eventually they will run out? If we keep cutting down rainforests and killing off all species of animals that live there I'd say it's obvious it will have large negative effects on the whole planet.

In my opinion constant growth and higher productivity that all economists and so called experts preach is not going to save this planet, but that's just me Smile
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22-08-2011, 05:53 AM
 
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I don’t get involved in political threads.

If I did, ALF would start screaming again. Trust me, you don’t want to hear that.

I just saw the title of this thread and can’t resist one comment:


In 1969 Americans landed on the Moon.

In 2011 they flew their last shuttle flight.

Now they have to beg a ride from the Russians to go even to the Space Station.

They could have landed on Mars by now.

They chose to stay on Earth, make lots of weapons, shoot/torture/blow up lots of people while waiting for rapture.

How admirable!
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22-08-2011, 11:30 AM
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
Reply to Filox and MAD:

why did I bring up foreign aid? Because I find it very hypocritical to take US money with one hand and bash the US with the other.

English is not my first language. If you think I am being mean, ask me. It could be just a wording problem.
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22-08-2011, 08:45 PM
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(22-08-2011 03:59 AM)MAD Wrote:  Filox:
Feel free to use the name as much as you want but if you start making money from it I want a percentage ;-)

I just remembered another thing that affects the view people (at least here in Sweden) have about the US. The population of the US have the highest ecological footprint in the world.
When a large part of the world is trying to combat global warming and cut down on emissions the country with the most emissions (even though China might overtake you within a decade or two) doesn't seem to care and the voices we hear from the US is talking about global warming being a scam and that we don't need to care about the environment because it's just a conspiracy from the elitist scientists at the UN (or something similar). I know it's not the opinion of everyone in the US but it does sound a bit like that when presented in our media or when you read about the US and global warming on the Internet.

Personally I don't see what is so wrong with taking care of our planet weather you believe in global warming or not. Isn't it just common sense that if we keep taking more resources than can be created that eventually they will run out? If we keep cutting down rainforests and killing off all species of animals that live there I'd say it's obvious it will have large negative effects on the whole planet.

In my opinion constant growth and higher productivity that all economists and so called experts preach is not going to save this planet, but that's just me Smile

1. A lot of Americans are very much so 'enviromental'. From what I seen in other nation's new networks they often seem a lot like FOX when it comes to the US. They say nasty things, false report, and conduct unfair interviews (I've seen times where they mistranslated the American... to make his argument seem worse). Also as far as ecological impact, China and India have much worse track records then the US.

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23-08-2011, 02:52 AM
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(22-08-2011 11:30 AM)sy2502 Wrote:  Reply to Filox and MAD:

why did I bring up foreign aid? Because I find it very hypocritical to take US money with one hand and bash the US with the other.

I might be reading more into your statements than you mean, but I feel you are directing this towards me and I don't quite understand why. As far as I know Sweden isn't getting any aid from the US so why do you sound almost like I shouldn't criticise the US because of the aid they are giving?

Or are you just saying that you don't think people who live in countries that receive any type of aid have a right to criticise the countries giving aid? Isn't that a way of buying yourself free of any wrongdoings? If I beat a person up but afterwards pay for the hospital bills and make a large donation to the hospital does that make my actions ok? Should the victim not be allowed to criticise my actions?

Personally I think the world is a bit more complex, that if you do both good and bad things they don't cancel each other out, they just have to be judged on their own merits.

Maybe I just don't get the point your trying to make, in that case I hope you can explain a bit more, otherwise we might have to call in the Diplomatizer again :-)

Monkeyshine:
I know there are some great people and organizations in the US that are working towards a more sustainable world and I'm not saying I believe that all Americans don't care about the environment. The reason I started ranting about it was that I got directed to this link
http://www.newappsblog.com/2011/08/usa-usa.html
and I just started thinking about this and how the US is normally presented in the media. I didn't do any fact checking so I don't know that the info on this page is correct or slanted (which is why I didn't post it in my previous comment) it just reminded me of these things so...
Nowadays it's not as bad as during the Bush years, but I was thinking mostly what the government is doing about emissions and not so much the people (even though I see from my comment I sounded a bit like that). The reluctance to sign the Kyoto agreement is one example that made a large part of the world quite upset...
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23-08-2011, 11:01 AM
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@ monkeyshine

No, I think you are wrong, USA is the most unecological country in the world. At least it was a few years ago when I was looking into those things last time. Also, when ALL the countries in the world were signing the "Kyoto Protocol" and of all the countries only USA have said that they will not sign it. Others have either signed or are preparing to sign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol

For a country like USA this is completely unacceptable. So it is better not to mention ecology if you want to talk about the good things of USA... Even China and India have signed this Protocol.

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23-08-2011, 11:07 AM
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(23-08-2011 11:01 AM)Filox Wrote:  @ monkeyshine

No, I think you are wrong, USA is the most unecological country in the world. At least it was a few years ago when I was looking into those things last time. Also, when ALL the countries in the world were signing the "Kyoto Protocol" and of all the countries only USA have said that they will not sign it. Others have either signed or are preparing to sign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol

For a country like USA this is completely unacceptable. So it is better not to mention ecology if you want to talk about the good things of USA... Even China and India have signed this Protocol.

As you probably know, one of the reasons was that some of the major polluters in the world, like China and India, would have been exempted from compliance. China has probably the worst track record in terms of what pollutants and toxic materials are allowed. Lead poisoning is one of the most common pediatric health problems in China. It is now the largest emitter of greenhouse gases in the world. China is having an economic boom at the expenses of its environment, and it exports products full of toxic materials to other countries, yet we still point the finger to America.

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24-08-2011, 03:20 AM
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OK, but we never look at China as the greatest country in the world, land of the free, land of the opportunity... We all know how China is, what they are doing and how awfully wrong they are. But USA is suppose to be the opposite of China, a great state and all that. So what is the problem then? Why was it so hard, for the leading country in this world, to sign something as important as Kyoto Protocol? I think I know why, money. If they have signed it, they would have to spend some money on protecting the environment and there was somebody in the government who didn't want to spend money on that. Look, I can see what you are saying, but you have to understand, if a country calls itself as USA calls itself, then it understandable to expect them to back it up a bit. We didn't call you the best country in the world, the land of opportunity and the land of the free and all that, those are your words, so we kinda feel tricked with some of the things we see about USA.

These are the countries that haven't signed Afghanistan, Andorra and South Sudan, after Somalia ratified the protocol on 26 July 2010. So do you or anyone think that USA belongs with these countries in ANY sense? I don't, do you?

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24-08-2011, 05:29 AM
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Hey Filox, once again you say sort of what I was planning on saying Smile Since I'm leaving for a week in Barcelona on Friday I guess I can trust you to keep the discussion going while I'm away Big Grin

sy2502:
Is your defence really "look at China, they are worse then the US"? This entire thread is about why some people criticize the US and you keep saying there are other countries that are as bad or worse. Why is that relevant here?

And yes, people point their finger at the US because they talk all high and mighty but don't show it in their actions. We know China is really bad when it comes to protecting the environment but at least they don't use the same rhetoric as the US pretending they care.

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24-08-2011, 07:04 AM
RE: Hate America- It's the hip and trendy thing to do.
I hate CIA more than I do America as a nation. At the end of the day, the people have no say to the decisions made by the government. CIA however has all the means to bend the truth, create propaganda, incite fear and get away with it. In Indonesia, they incite fear of communism even though a communist party at the time was advocating socialism more than communism and respect religious beliefs that were present at the time and still is protected by the constitution. To cut long story short, CIA operatives used (then General) Soeharto and a number of other military officials to coup against the president of the time (Soekarno) and accuse the communist party for the murder of a number of generals and the coup d'etat itself. Made Soeharto the president of the country for 30 odd years and then dethroned him. The damage is still there. Corruption run rampant and low to none existent national pride among Indonesians.

This scenario should sound familiar to most of you. Same thing was done in so many countries though only a number of CIA-installed dictators made it into the news (most famous of them all; Saddam Hussein).

So yeah, hate CIA. Won't be surprised if in the near future we learn that 911 was a CIA job as were all the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, etc.

If anything, I hate Americans for their over-tollerant behaviour over stupid politicians, tea baggers, wall street and Bill O'Reilly.
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