Have Presidents Always Been Hated This Much?
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17-10-2013, 01:31 AM (This post was last modified: 17-10-2013 02:12 AM by ClydeLee.)
Re: RE: Have Presidents Always Been Hated This Much?
(15-10-2013 08:39 PM)BryanS Wrote:  
(15-10-2013 05:50 PM)southernbelle Wrote:  Even though I've lived during Clinton's second term and all of Bush's presidency, the only one I remember is Obama's presidency. Before Obama, I wasn't really at an age where I knew about politics besides what my mom had drilled into my head ("The Republican is always the good guy." I feel differently now). The only thing I remember about Bush was really Katrina because that was the only thing that directly influenced me and a little bit of Iraq. So for those of you who actually remember other presidents, I ask, are they always hated as much as Obama is? At least by the opposition? Just something I'm curious about . . .

Most definitely, yes, presidents are always hated this much by their political opponents. It has been this way for hundreds of years.

During the 8yrs of George W Bush, Bush Derangement Syndrome was in full force on the left. Bush was caricatured as both the most retarded idiot in the world while simultaneously being a peerless evil genius in manipulating the events in the world to maximize death and war.

Clinton was caricatured as everything social conservatives hated about the 60s and a philandering, unprincipled, shifty, dissembling, murdering liar. (well, the philandering part was mostly true).

George Bush Sr was caricatured as an out of touch airheaded bumbler.

Reagan was portrayed as a crazy, clueless old man who slept most of the time and barely knew what was going on in his administration.

There's no confusing on the Bush W. Situation, But apparently from you.

Bush was never considered a mastermind, VP Dick Cheney was always seem as the mastermind evil controller and true brains of the administration. That's been the left argument from before their presidency began.

As far as president hatred, it's not much different. Political adversaries always agreed, the attacks and extreme comment battles existed early on in presidential debates. As far as with People, I think more vocal opinions have come out these days, maybe it's because of Obama being black or just the horrid state of the economy, but public distain seems more everyday convo. Political media of the day encourages it, and directs it in some regard.

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17-10-2013, 01:57 AM
RE: Have Presidents Always Been Hated This Much?
(15-10-2013 05:50 PM)southernbelle Wrote:  Even though I've lived during Clinton's second term and all of Bush's presidency, the only one I remember is Obama's presidency. Before Obama, I wasn't really at an age where I knew about politics besides what my mom had drilled into my head ("The Republican is always the good guy." I feel differently now). The only thing I remember about Bush was really Katrina because that was the only thing that directly influenced me and a little bit of Iraq. So for those of you who actually remember other presidents, I ask, are they always hated as much as Obama is? At least by the opposition? Just something I'm curious about . . .
Yes the opposition always hates the president, and sometimes their own party hates them. In Obama's case, race definitely has something to do with it.
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17-10-2013, 08:46 AM
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(16-10-2013 10:13 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  It probably doesn't help that he probably only got in because Romney was a fucking hack.
If the republicans were able to offer up a decent candidate the election may have been a little closer.
So it's probably a bit of "I only voted for you because you were the lesser of two evils, but I still fucking hate you".

That's pretty much every election, isn't it? Especially with a two party system...
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17-10-2013, 09:34 AM (This post was last modified: 17-10-2013 10:17 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Have Presidents Always Been Hated This Much?
(16-10-2013 08:32 AM)RaisdCath Wrote:  Having some experience in US Presidents.....
I didn't know FDR, but my dad did....and my dad didn't like him at all ("dirty socialist").
Truman: did what had to be done. Drop the damn bomb and end the war; and fired McArthur
Eisenhower: "beige paint", but smartl NEUTRAL
Kennedy: on the surface, heroic. We didn't know about the current running below. Was killed before a decent record could be established. LIKED
Johnson: mostly a crook; but could get things done by working congress behind the scenes. Pretty much a coward. Had a chance to end VN, but didn't. DISLIKED
Nixon: very much a crook; got some things done, but a real creep. REALLY DISLIKED
Ford: place holder; pretty much a waste of space and time. Made a deal with Nixon to become pres. BORED
Carter: the single most inept person ever to hold the office; make US Grant look like a Rhodes scholar. LAUGHED
Reagan: one of the top three presidents; made deals as required, but never sacrificed principles. PROUD
Bush (1): smart, but is the perfect example of the Peter Principle. Survived by having competent advisors telling him what to do; did well with the 1st Gulf War. CONFUSED
Clinton: pure, perfect, and 100% filth. Was embarrassed by this creep...and his murderous spouse. DISGUSTED/SICKENED/EMBARRASSED
Bush (2): was the right man in the right place to get the county thru 9/11 (can't even begin to imagine what algore would have been like); second term was a complete bust. HAPPY; then DISAPPOINTED
Obama: incompetent, unconstitutional, unprepared, liar, fake, socialist, malignant narcissist. HATE!!!

IMHO

I ran this little list past a few older peeps, who were sitting next to me, at the Huntington Library (ie they appeared to be educated, and aware http://www.huntington.org/ ) as I had stopped for a snack before school and they thought it was pretty hilarious.
Here's what two random elderly Cali people said when I asked :
FDR : Kept the US out of war, until he HAD to do something. Turned the depression economy around. Basically lead the country through WWII. Fireside "chats"...pure genius. Engaged the nation to ramp up to win.
Truman cleaned up and finished the war with Japan. Firebombed Tokyo. If we had lost, would have been tried as a war criminal. He did fire MacArthur.
Eisenhower: Grew the post war economy, presided over a BOOMING economic surge. Warned about the military industrial complex.
Kennedy : Elected by massive voter fraud, and father's illegally made money (selling liquor during Prohibition), engaged young people in Peace Corps, engendered an idealism that lasted a generation. Averted (almost accidentally) the Cuban missile crisis, presided over the disaster in Bay of Pigs, brother pissed off the mob, so they did him in. Beloved, but would not have been if people knew the truth.
Johnson: Responsible for the Civil rights act, and Medicare. Not a "coward", but a HUGE bully. Yes, Viet-nam was his responsibility. 50,000 + US lives wasted. Had no "style", and compared to Kennedy, was a "dolt" so he was disliked.
Nixon: insane, paranoid.
Ford: place holder; necessary transition from Watergate.
Carter: Unlucky. The incident/disaster in the desert, (the military's ineptness) assured he would never have been re-elected. If the hostages had been released earlier, he might have won again. Proven to be brilliant and compassionate peacemaker, post presidency. A truly great man.
Reagan: Complete idiot. Suffering from Alzheimer's. Criminal. Broke the law with Iran Contra. Minions lied to cover up his crimes. Had to be told how to put on socks by Nancy. Credit given for disillusion of Soviet Union, but would have happened anyway. Continuing inept military disasters, and explosion of Challenger proof government was inept. Had NO "principles".PR genius that people actually think he was a "great president".
Bush: smart, but is the perfect example of the Peter Principle. Survived by having competent advisors telling him what to do; did well with the 1st Gulf War. OK president .... they agreed.
Clinton: First president to run a surplus in his lifetime. His personal doings are irrelevant. The US people KNEW what they were getting before the first term. Very smart. Gore was not ever elected. Speculation. (They asked if the list was from a religious person due to the repeated use of the "filth" above).
Bush : Never meant to be president. Brother was groomed, but fell from grace. Karl Rove was really the president. His idiot incompetent administration allowed 9/11 to happen, despite repeated warnings. Neo-cons had Iraq war planned from before election. Justified it with lies. Caused an economic meltdown. Ignored Katrina until it was a complete disaster, (remained on vacation, while hundreds were dying).
Obama: Constitutional scholar, way too "professorial", bungler, not a leader. Resisted Tea Party which would be FAR worse. Way to early to judge. Implemented ROMNEY CARE, which they like to forget.

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17-10-2013, 09:50 AM
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(17-10-2013 09:34 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Reagan: Complete idiot. Suffering from Alzheimer's. Criminal. Broke the law with Iran Contra. Minions lied to cover up his crimes. Had to be told how to put on socks by Nancy. Credit given for disillusion of Soviet Union, but would have happened anyway. Continuing inept military disasters, and explosion of Challenger proof government was inept. Had NO "principles".PR genius that people actually think he was a "great president".

Don't forget the timely and simply inspired way in which he handled the birth of the AIDS epidemic, Bucky.

Frankly, how in this day and age anyone can have even a semblance of respect for that thing is beyond me.

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17-10-2013, 09:56 AM
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Quote:Implemented ROMNEY CARE, which they like to forget.

Yes, that is an amusing outtake on the whole process.

It does make one wonder what the republicans thought they were doing in 2012. Romney was the beneficiary of having way too many tea bagging nuts in the race dividing up the vote so that he appeared to be the sane one. He also represented the corporate wing of the party which now looks to be the major loser. There are so few non crazy republicans left that the threat of being primaried is enough to scare them shitless.

But how anyone could look at a clown like Romney as presidential material is simply beyond belief. The only way it was possible was to stand him next to Bachmann and Santorum. Bozo the Clown would be presidential compared to those two.

A recent poll showed 21% of the country hard left and 28% hard right. The remaining 51% is middle-of-the-road.

That 28% is going to determine the next GOP nominee. Should be incredibly entertaining.

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17-10-2013, 11:45 AM
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(17-10-2013 09:56 AM)Minimalist Wrote:  
Quote:Implemented ROMNEY CARE, which they like to forget.

Yes, that is an amusing outtake on the whole process.

It does make one wonder what the republicans thought they were doing in 2012. Romney was the beneficiary of having way too many tea bagging nuts in the race dividing up the vote so that he appeared to be the sane one. He also represented the corporate wing of the party which now looks to be the major loser. There are so few non crazy republicans left that the threat of being primaried is enough to scare them shitless.

But how anyone could look at a clown like Romney as presidential material is simply beyond belief. The only way it was possible was to stand him next to Bachmann and Santorum. Bozo the Clown would be presidential compared to those two.

A recent poll showed 21% of the country hard left and 28% hard right. The remaining 51% is middle-of-the-road.

That 28% is going to determine the next GOP nominee. Should be incredibly entertaining.

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The bigger issue still remains the money involved. There was some reasonable names who never got their 15 minutes like the rest due to limited funds or simply be sane, like Pawlenty or Huntsman. Not great candidates but sound ones.

The media instead played to the crazy, which made great entertainment that's for sure. It was a good half year when political shows were far superior to written programs.

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17-10-2013, 05:37 PM
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Pawlenty and Huntsman - and let's throw Jindal in for good measure - will never appeal to the raw meat eating, knuckle-dragging crowd which is left in the republican party.

Anyone who can string a proper sentence together is considered an elitist by those shitwits.

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17-10-2013, 05:37 PM
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(15-10-2013 08:48 PM)black_squirrel Wrote:  Well, in the south Obama may be more hated than Bush. But Bush was really unpopular at the end of his term. So much so that
he is still hiding under a rock somewhere.

But hating often says more about the hater than about the hatee (if there is such a word).

Anything Democratic is hated in the South....

still really sad that zayne left one direction like you guys don't even know
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17-10-2013, 05:47 PM
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(16-10-2013 10:45 AM)Dom Wrote:  
Quote:Have Presidents Always Been Hated This Much?

Yes.

With one exception: George Washington. Everyone loved George Washington. For some reason, he was above the fray, above the politics, above the pettiness and the bickering and all that crap. He wasn't really all that great a President, either. People just loved him for his role in the Revolution. And, he wasn't all that great a general. In fact, he was a horrible general. He lost almost every battle he fought in. Not all, he did win in Trenton when he did that sneak attack on Christmas, but otherwise, he lost just about every battle. He spent most of the war in retreat. Without the French navy, there was no United States. But, people loved him when we won and they loved him as President.

It has been all down hill ever since. They bounced Adams after 1 terms. They called Jefferson an atheist and a coward for running from the British during the war. What we are seeing now is not new. We just have the 24 hour news cycle to report it and the internet to keep us constantly up to date.

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