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26-05-2012, 07:19 AM
RE: Have you ever questioned the information about 9/11 or the holocaust?
Have you ever questioned the information put out there by truthers and holocaust deniers? You know people who are known to put out lies, falsified 'evidence', bending the truth and sticking with already refuted evidence just because it suits their agendas?. Instead of blindly accepting it as fact, while ignoring any counter evidence even if it completly obliterates the claims of conspiracy theorists?

Also why has no one brought up the fact that the world is run by a secret organization of space lizards with a leadership made up of Bigfoot, zombie ninjas, wizards and the loch Ness monster? who secretly put viagra into every 666th piece of chicken in kfc, in an attempt to control us by aiding in elderly gentlemen acheiving boners increasing the worlds population eventually starving us into submission!

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26-05-2012, 07:45 AM
RE: Have you ever questioned the information about 9/11 or the holocaust?
(26-05-2012 07:19 AM)FSM_scot Wrote:  Have you ever questioned the information put out there by truthers and holocaust deniers? You know people who are known to put out lies, falsified 'evidence', bending the truth and sticking with already refuted evidence just because it suits their agendas?. Instead of blindly accepting it as fact, while ignoring any counter evidence even if it completly obliterates the claims of conspiracy theorists?

Also why has no one brought up the fact that the world is run by a secret organization of space lizards with a leadership made up of Bigfoot, zombie ninjas, wizards and the loch Ness monster? who secretly put viagra into every 666th piece of chicken in kfc, in an attempt to control us by aiding in elderly gentlemen acheiving boners increasing the worlds population eventually starving us into submission!
i have questioned it over and over and over again Drinking Beverage

And I would happily accept the counter evidence if I could differentiate it from the shit my cat pops out of it's ass when it's had something to greasy for it's own good! (sorry for any crude sense of humor, been watching blackadder, you should really give it a watch)

Fucking shit do they really put viagra in every 666th piece of chicken at kfc? I knew it! I told my girlfriend that it wasn't me but she didn't believe me!

On a more serious note, the most important thing to do is tell who is lying. And the manner in which they respond can most commonly be the place where to see who is telling the truth and who is telling lies. As for holocaust believers any slightest evidence that might allow them to hold onto their beliefs is considered legitimate no matter how improbable it may be.

That is the world to me, a world of probabilities.
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26-05-2012, 08:36 AM
RE: Have you ever questioned the information about 9/11 or the holocaust?




And my favourite!
They Fell for my hoax video!

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26-05-2012, 08:55 AM (This post was last modified: 26-05-2012 09:00 AM by TheArcticSage.)
RE: Have you ever questioned the information about 9/11 or the holocaust?
God I hate bloody assholes who do this, they cause nothing but confusion instead of helping either side.

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I also hate puny office fires that manage to bring down entire steel framed buildings of which a thousand engineers would like to disagree with. The above building withstood it's fire, and it's a bloody inferno.

And I can understand that you know a collapse would likely destroy water lines, seems legitimate. But the building had sprinklers for a good 50 minutes after the fire started towards the collapse right? And granted again, you know I could understand how jet fuel might heat up steal enough to the point where it would melt. If it lasted longer than 10 minutes

Just putting this out there, everything that happened on 9/11 was already anticipated by those who built the buildings involved in it. Including jetliners crashing into it. Now some will argue that a small size difference yadadada. Still a jetliner crashing into it. You will lose in a battle against me about 9/11. Unlike the holocaust which supposedly happened 70 years ago. This is fresh.

And do people make hoax videos? Of course they do, that's you've got to find the originals and nothing but the originals.
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26-05-2012, 09:04 AM
RE: Have you ever questioned the information about 9/11 or the holocaust?
(26-05-2012 08:55 AM)TheArcticSage Wrote:  God I hate bloody assholes who do this, they cause nothing but confusion instead of helping either side.

Just putting this out there, everything that happened on 9/11 was already anticipated by those who built the buildings involved in it. Including jetliners crashing into it. Now some will argue that a small size difference yadadada. Still a jetliner crashing into it. You will lose in a battle against me about 9/11. Unlike the holocaust which supposedly happened 70 years ago. This is fresh.
Oh really? You think I have something to fear from your ultra awesome internet intellect?

At your age you must know an awful lot about ~50 floor steel frame office buildings. Engineers must be trembling at your feet horrified and unable to comprehend the sheer depth of your stupidity. Rolleyes

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26-05-2012, 09:20 AM
RE: Have you ever questioned the information about 9/11 or the holocaust?
(26-05-2012 09:04 AM)DeepThought Wrote:  Oh really? You think I have something to fear from your ultra awesome internet intellect?

At your age you must know an awful lot about ~50 floor steel frame office buildings. Engineers must be trembling at your feet horrified and unable to comprehend the sheer depth of your stupidity. Rolleyes
Actually I wasn't the one to reassure me.

One man a man named Cole, was the one who convinced me. Using science, and instead of the highly circumstantial and unlikely NIST faith based hypothesis. This man did research, and he tested his research. David Cole and Johnathon Cole, one of them was forced to recant after the opposing side simply couldn't counter his argument so they countered the author instead. Doesn't work like that for me though, they gotta counter evidence brought up instead of those who found it.

Anyways I'll give you what I give everyone.





The video simply proves, that it was possible, VERY possible.
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26-05-2012, 05:22 PM
RE: Have you ever questioned the information about 9/11 or the holocaust?
Office fires and burning jet fuel contribute more heat energy than many tons of thermate. The energy released from the collapse itself is enough to melt steel.


Where is the supposed 'evidence' he's talking about when he melts the beams using thermate?

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26-05-2012, 05:33 PM
RE: Have you ever questioned the information about 9/11 or the holocaust?
Where's the evidence that anyone who makes such outrageously idiotic claims isn't an absolute fucktard?

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26-05-2012, 06:08 PM
RE: Have you ever questioned the information about 9/11 or the holocaust?
So, wait. Your premise is that the government might be lying to us about these big events? I'm not a big fan of the government either but it does seem that when the government tries to hide something, they do it in private and behind closed doors. Doing something like the holocaust (which requires it to be a multinational conspiracy during the middle of WWII) or 9/11 in plain sight of the whole world is a bit absurd. I'm not saying it is impossible, but not likely. The holocaust is well documented. What purpose would the holocaust being fake serve? We already had justification for being in the war and what the fuck is up with NeoNazi groups if they aren't following in the Nazis footsteps?

9/11
The only piece anyone seems to hold on to is that two big buildings collapsed and came down more or less vertical. Has anyone ever done any simulations to try and get them to collapse any other way than down? If the purpose was for it to be an inside job and instill fear in Americans, then why the hell did the way they came down matter? If it destroyed other buildings and caused more death, so what? Was the purpose for us to invade Iraq? Hell we had already been there once and we didn't need any excuse other than them threatening oil supplies. Would that have been to simple an excuse to do it again?

These conspiracy theories make no sense because they lack a logical reason for why. They make it sound like the government did it just because it can. Would the government not run a HUGE risk for doing these stupid things? If they were caught it would be anarchy and heads would roll for treason. I have no doubt that presidents and politicians have done some shady shit, but they keep it private and behind closed doors and out of the public eye.

Another thing related to the government doing 9/11. If it was a near flawless execution of an inside job where NO ONE IS COMING FORWARD AS A RAT, then they must be pretty competent. So, why would they do something as stupid as a controlled demolition on the building that would be easy to demonstrate? (Not that it ever has been).

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26-05-2012, 06:35 PM (This post was last modified: 26-05-2012 06:57 PM by TheArcticSage.)
RE: Have you ever questioned the information about 9/11 or the holocaust?
(26-05-2012 05:22 PM)DeepThought Wrote:  Office fires and burning jet fuel contribute more heat energy than many tons of thermate. The energy released from the collapse itself is enough to melt steel.


Where is the supposed 'evidence' he's talking about when he melts the beams using thermate?
323 firefighters bet their lives that the towers wouldn't collapse, I have a feeling they've dealt with more fires and know more about fires than you or me. And the jet fuel was said only to have burnt for 10 minutes, and according to history apparently no office fires have been able to cause a steel framed building to collapse. So if over 300 men were willing to bet their lives that the towers wouldn't fall, people who have had much more experience dealing with fires than you or me. Don't you think something might be wrong with the picture if the towers actually did collapse?

Also about that 'energy released from the collapse was enough to melt steel' is that really how they explained the molten steel that NASA found? Do they bother explaining how that might happen? Because I often don't see people traversing through molten steel at demolition sites.

"Where is the supposed 'evidence' he's talking about when he melts the beams using thermate?"

Yeah, don't bother telling me what time this is on the video, thanks. Yep I totally missed it, are you talking about the part where he is cutting the bolts? Please say the time of the video that this part was in.


Quote:So, wait. Your premise is that the government might be lying to us about these big events? I'm not a big fan of the government either but it does seem that when the government tries to hide something, they do it in private and behind closed doors. Doing something like the holocaust (which requires it to be a multinational conspiracy during the middle of WWII) or 9/11 in plain sight of the whole world is a bit absurd. I'm not saying it is impossible, but not likely. The holocaust is well documented. What purpose would the holocaust being fake serve? We already had justification for being in the war and what the fuck is up with NeoNazi groups if they aren't following in the Nazis footsteps?

9/11
The only piece anyone seems to hold on to is that two big buildings collapsed and came down more or less vertical. Has anyone ever done any simulations to try and get them to collapse any other way than down? If the purpose was for it to be an inside job and instill fear in Americans, then why the hell did the way they came down matter? If it destroyed other buildings and caused more death, so what? Was the purpose for us to invade Iraq? Hell we had already been there once and we didn't need any excuse other than them threatening oil supplies. Would that have been to simple an excuse to do it again?

These conspiracy theories make no sense because they lack a logical reason for why. They make it sound like the government did it just because it can. Would the government not run a HUGE risk for doing these stupid things? If they were caught it would be anarchy and heads would roll for treason. I have no doubt that presidents and politicians have done some shady shit, but they keep it private and behind closed doors and out of the public eye.

Another thing related to the government doing 9/11. If it was a near flawless execution of an inside job where NO ONE IS COMING FORWARD AS A RAT, then they must be pretty competent. So, why would they do something as stupid as a controlled demolition on the building that would be easy to demonstrate? (Not that it ever has been).

Propaganda was very popular back in the day, it's a very useful thing especially in war. That was the purpose of the 'holocaust' story. It was merely propaganda fodder. Had Hitler surrendered while the allies were out of germany, the holocaust story would have probably never stuck. But He did not surrender and the allies had to fight their way to the heart of Germany. They won, but then they had to deal with the problem of all these Nazi leaders and at the time a lot of people supported the Nazi's as well. They needed something that would defame the Nazi name and anyone who associated with them. And what is the one thing everyone even today thinks of when they hear the word... Nazi? They automatically associate it with Holocaust. It's blind hatred alone that will keep people from ever questioning the holocaust. But when it comes to Adolf Hitler? There's almost a certain charm to Hitler, I always found myself reluctant to hate him.

As for 9/11? What was the reason for that? Think Internationally. Not only do you get to restrict freedoms in your country, but all your allies who fight along with you get to restrict freedoms as well. Then you can invade any country you want that you suspect of 'harboring' terrorists. Pakistan seen from an international view point is really up shit creek right now. While it's citizens are also split. And Iran has constantly been defamed by the U.S. (the leader of Iran is also an avid holocaust denier, as are many muslims, while other muslims believe in the holocaust but still praise Hitler)
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