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11-10-2012, 02:22 AM
Have you gone to Christian events as an Atheist, on purpose?
So my very near and dear friend is an FSM minister now. She is the one I've mentioned on the forum that will be going on an American Bible Belt tour with me.

We both, along with a few of our other friends, have an acute sense of fascination with the religious culture from an outside perspective. Not many people get that, they wonder why we 'waste our time' and don't invest in other meaningful activities, like science centres or helping the needy or whatever. I view our fascination as an opportunity to look at what may be a 'dark age' in the future, first hand. Oppurtunity! Plus it's pretty well its own culture.

Anyway, just explaining to poise the question: Would or have you gone to a Christian event just to check it out from an Atheist perspective?

My friend just invited me to a church next weekend who is having a special topic and guest appearances (by some nominal Christian doctors or something) all about ATHEISM!

I know we hear about this all week long (a lot of us anyway) from people in our personal life, but I am curious what a 'professional prevention' on the subject would look like.

Would you go?



Pamphlet info

Unpacking Atheism
(From 6:30pm-9:00pm)
Skepticism & Atheism is on the rise. If you haven't been
confronted by it yet, you will be!
Your children are already being challenged bit it. Here are some sobering facts;
1 in 4 Americans under 30 now described their religion as "atheist", "agnostic", or "nothing in particular"
young people are dropping out of church at 5-6 times the historic rate, often because of intellectual doubts
books by the New Atheists have gone mainstream, many becoming international bestsellers
Beyond questioning God's existence & the reliability of Scriptures...atheism has more questions;
Isn't religion false & irrational, also even dangerous, violent & source of conflicts?
Isn't morality a product of evolution, a past biological mechanism for survival?
Isn't religion just a natural phenomenon or a human invention, having nothing to do with a real God?
Isn't faith blind, irrational & unjustifiable?
Isn't the God of the OT and the Father of Jesus a wrathful, violent, blood thirsty God?
Isn't science undermining belief in God? and more...


In recent years, atheism has renewed its strengths, regrouped & got organized. The effects of it are seeping into our culture and, increasingly, into the church. The New Atheists are very vocal in their claims and are on a campaign to be heard. Their purpose is simple; convert people to atheism, have Christians question their faith, and ultimately get rid of religion. Shall we get prepared & equipped or remain passive?
Together, Strobel, Mittelberg & Dr. Craig will unpack the central claims made by the New Atheists and discuss how we can best answer them. In addition, they'll disclose inside stories of Dr. Craig's landmark debates with many of the leading atheists & skeptics around the world.
They'll also interview other guests with fascinating stories of coming out of atheism to follow Christ. Together, we'll answer the toughest challenges to our faith, hear stories of truth triumphing over doubts, and point people confidently toward trust in Christ.
All are welcome! See you there.
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11-10-2012, 02:34 AM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2012 04:01 AM by PeterKA.)
RE: Have you gone to Christian events as an Atheist, on purpose?
Well, it looks like they are actually going to try to address some of the issues we have with organized religion - but it will be interesting to see their responses. But if 'Dr Craig' is Dr William Lane Craig my hopes are not too high. I am guessing 'Mittelburg' is Mark Mittelburg who runs a course called 'Becoming a contagious Christian' and 'Strobel' is Lee Strobel who recieved his (honorary) 'doctorate' from the Southern Evangelical Seminary

But to answer your question, the only times I have gone to church in recent years was in order to get laid

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11-10-2012, 04:03 AM
RE: Have you gone to Christian events as an Atheist, on purpose?
(11-10-2012 02:34 AM)PeterKA Wrote:  Well, it looks like they are actually going to try to address some of the issues we have with organized religion - but it will be interesting to see their responses. But if 'Dr Craig' is Dr William Lane Craig my hopes are not too high. I am guessing 'Mittelburg' is Mark Mittelburg who runs a course called 'Becoming a contagious Christian' and 'Strobel' is Lee Strobel who recieved his (honorary) 'doctorate' from the Southern Evangelical Seminary

But to answer your question, the only times I have gone to church in recent years was in order to get laid

Going to church to get laid you say? How does that work? Unless you are talking about weddings a funerals and the like. I go to church once in a while when my wife is motivated enough to get me to go. I am an outspoken atheist, so it is interesting to go for the debate.
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11-10-2012, 04:11 AM
RE: Have you gone to Christian events as an Atheist, on purpose?
(11-10-2012 04:03 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  Going to church to get laid you say? How does that work? Unless you are talking about weddings a funerals and the like. I go to church once in a while when my wife is motivated enough to get me to go. I am an outspoken atheist, so it is interesting to go for the debate.

Was dating a catholic. Never mind that she was divorced, but the only way she felt comfortable sleeping with me was if we went to church on sunday so she could repent for calling out to her lord and savior from monday though saturday.

Didnt last

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11-10-2012, 05:00 AM
RE: Have you gone to Christian events as an Atheist, on purpose?
I'll come with you LJ. Can you get an extra ticket, please.

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11-10-2012, 05:07 AM
RE: Have you gone to Christian events as an Atheist, on purpose?
(11-10-2012 05:00 AM)DLJ Wrote:  I'll come with you LJ. Can you get an extra ticket, please.

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11-10-2012, 05:13 AM
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I used to help my buddy with his churches food bank. They let me drink the just expired strawberry milk and snacks. It was sweet!
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11-10-2012, 05:13 AM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2012 05:18 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Have you gone to Christian events as an Atheist, on purpose?
(11-10-2012 02:22 AM)LadyJane Wrote:  So my very near and dear friend is an FSM minister now. She is the one I've mentioned on the forum that will be going on an American Bible Belt tour with me.

We both, along with a few of our other friends, have an acute sense of fascination with the religious culture from an outside perspective. Not many people get that, they wonder why we 'waste our time' and don't invest in other meaningful activities, like science centres or helping the needy or whatever. I view our fascination as an opportunity to look at what may be a 'dark age' in the future, first hand. Oppurtunity! Plus it's pretty well its own culture.

Anyway, just explaining to poise the question: Would or have you gone to a Christian event just to check it out from an Atheist perspective?

My friend just invited me to a church next weekend who is having a special topic and guest appearances (by some nominal Christian doctors or something) all about ATHEISM!

I know we hear about this all week long (a lot of us anyway) from people in our personal life, but I am curious what a 'professional prevention' on the subject would look like.

Would you go?



Pamphlet info

Unpacking Atheism
(From 6:30pm-9:00pm)
Skepticism & Atheism is on the rise. If you haven't been
confronted by it yet, you will be!
Your children are already being challenged bit it. Here are some sobering facts;
1 in 4 Americans under 30 now described their religion as "atheist", "agnostic", or "nothing in particular"
young people are dropping out of church at 5-6 times the historic rate, often because of intellectual doubts
books by the New Atheists have gone mainstream, many becoming international bestsellers
Beyond questioning God's existence & the reliability of Scriptures...atheism has more questions;
Isn't religion false & irrational, also even dangerous, violent & source of conflicts?
Isn't morality a product of evolution, a past biological mechanism for survival?
Isn't religion just a natural phenomenon or a human invention, having nothing to do with a real God?
Isn't faith blind, irrational & unjustifiable?
Isn't the God of the OT and the Father of Jesus a wrathful, violent, blood thirsty God?
Isn't science undermining belief in God? and more...


In recent years, atheism has renewed its strengths, regrouped & got organized. The effects of it are seeping into our culture and, increasingly, into the church. The New Atheists are very vocal in their claims and are on a campaign to be heard. Their purpose is simple; convert people to atheism, have Christians question their faith, and ultimately get rid of religion. Shall we get prepared & equipped or remain passive?
Together, Strobel, Mittelberg & Dr. Craig will unpack the central claims made by the New Atheists and discuss how we can best answer them. In addition, they'll disclose inside stories of Dr. Craig's landmark debates with many of the leading atheists & skeptics around the world.
They'll also interview other guests with fascinating stories of coming out of atheism to follow Christ. Together, we'll answer the toughest challenges to our faith, hear stories of truth triumphing over doubts, and point people confidently toward trust in Christ.
All are welcome! See you there.

Ask them how much they charge, and why ?
We discussed this series here, recently :
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...ight=Craig
Are you going to ask a question ?
BTW, did she get her PhD in Heresy ?
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...+in+Heresy

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11-10-2012, 07:28 AM
RE: Have you gone to Christian events as an Atheist, on purpose?
LJ- I would definitely go. I often find what they think of us and how we are to be a tad off. If by chance they are unbiased it would interesting to hear any questions posed by the audience.

I have gone in the past to religious services as an observer and found it very interesting. I totally get you fascination with it from an outisders perspective. Have fun Smile

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11-10-2012, 08:29 AM
RE: Have you gone to Christian events as an Atheist, on purpose?
Sounds like a traveling circus (Craig and the buffoons!) that It would be interesting to attend but it probably would substantially lower my view on my fellow man.

Interesting word choice in the pamphlet: convert people to atheism.
The use of the word "convert" is probably intentional; they are trying to equate atheism to simply yet another faith system which as we all know is a fallacy.
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