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13-09-2014, 07:38 PM
RE: Have you lost your morals yet?
(13-09-2014 07:15 PM)Chas Wrote:  So, you didn't Google it.

I think we're done here; you didn't hardly try.
I did look it up, but it didn't seem to have any relevance. Pulling a lever and choosing to kill one person or not acting and having 5 people die...

I don't get what your point is?
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13-09-2014, 08:04 PM
RE: Have you lost your morals yet?
(13-09-2014 07:38 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(13-09-2014 07:15 PM)Chas Wrote:  So, you didn't Google it.

I think we're done here; you didn't hardly try.
I did look it up, but it didn't seem to have any relevance. Pulling a lever and choosing to kill one person or not acting and having 5 people die...

I don't get what your point is?

Nope, you didn't try. There is much more to it than that.

The point is that it describes a common moral sense, the product of evolution.

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13-09-2014, 08:08 PM
RE: Have you lost your morals yet?
(13-09-2014 08:04 PM)Chas Wrote:  The point is that it describes a common moral sense, the product of evolution.
there are no moral truths, regardless if you feel that you sense them.
The trolley problem is not evidence of moral truths or moral sense.
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14-09-2014, 07:18 AM
RE: Have you lost your morals yet?
(13-09-2014 08:08 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(13-09-2014 08:04 PM)Chas Wrote:  The point is that it describes a common moral sense, the product of evolution.
there are no moral truths, regardless if you feel that you sense them.
The trolley problem is not evidence of moral truths or moral sense.

I have not once said there are moral truths.

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14-09-2014, 07:52 AM
RE: Have you lost your morals yet?
(04-09-2014 08:21 PM)pablo Wrote:  I haven't lost them, I keep them in an old shoebox under my bed. Sometimes I take them out for special occasions Big Grin

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14-09-2014, 12:48 PM
RE: Have you lost your morals yet?
(14-09-2014 07:18 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(13-09-2014 08:08 PM)Stevil Wrote:  there are no moral truths, regardless if you feel that you sense them.
The trolley problem is not evidence of moral truths or moral sense.

I have not once said there are moral truths.

Try to follow the actual discussion, not the noise in your head. Drinking Beverage
Trying making a coherent case, stating your point and backing it up rather than being a turd.
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14-09-2014, 03:03 PM
RE: Have you lost your morals yet?
(14-09-2014 12:48 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(14-09-2014 07:18 AM)Chas Wrote:  I have not once said there are moral truths.

Try to follow the actual discussion, not the noise in your head. Drinking Beverage
Trying making a coherent case, stating your point and backing it up rather than being a turd.

I provided the back up - you're just too lazy to actually investigate it.

You keep misstating what I've said, so either your reading comprehension is poor or you are disingenuous.

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14-09-2014, 03:13 PM
RE: Have you lost your morals yet?
(14-09-2014 03:03 PM)Chas Wrote:  I provided the back up - you're just too lazy to actually investigate it.

You keep misstating what I've said, so either your reading comprehension is poor or you are disingenuous.
Telling me to <Google "the trolley problem"> isn't articulating an argument. It is a lazy FOB off.
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14-09-2014, 07:33 PM
RE: Have you lost your morals yet?
(14-09-2014 03:13 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(14-09-2014 03:03 PM)Chas Wrote:  I provided the back up - you're just too lazy to actually investigate it.

You keep misstating what I've said, so either your reading comprehension is poor or you are disingenuous.
Telling me to <Google "the trolley problem"> isn't articulating an argument. It is a lazy FOB off.

Stevil, even animals have what you can call "morals", as in rules of behavior that benefit the group rather than the individual. All herd/pack/etc. animals do. It's evolution, not conscious choice. It's innate.

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14-09-2014, 09:50 PM
RE: Have you lost your morals yet?
(14-09-2014 07:33 PM)Dom Wrote:  Stevil, even animals have what you can call "morals", as in rules of behavior that benefit the group rather than the individual. All herd/pack/etc. animals do. It's evolution, not conscious choice. It's innate.
Morality completely requires the "moral agent" to have choices. If actions are innate rather than being a conscious choice then morality doesn't come into play.

The concept of morality requires that the "moral agent" be aware of right and wrong and requires them to freely make a choice between right and wrong actions.
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