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29-01-2014, 03:25 PM
Wink Having fun with theists
I've posted this "experiment" on my FB page in the interest of seeing the response of my theist friends.

A SIMPLE EXPERIMENT

If you are a Christian who believes in the power of prayer, here is a very simple experiment that will show you something very interesting about your faith.

Take a coin out of your pocket. Now pray sincerely to Ra:

Dear Ra, almighty sun god, I am going to flip this ordinary coin 50 times, and I am asking you to cause it to land heads-side-up all 50 times. In Ra's name I pray, Amen.
Now flip the coin. Chances are that you won't get past the fifth or sixth flip and the coin will land tails.
What does this mean? Most people would look at this data and conclude that Ra is imaginary. We prayed to Ra, and Ra did nothing. We can prove that Ra is imaginary (at least in the sense of prayer-answering ability) by using statistical analysis. If we flip the coin thousands of times, praying to Ra each time, we will find that the coin lands heads or tails in exact correlation with the normal laws of probability. Ra has absolutely no effect on the coin no matter how much we pray. Even if we find a thousand of Ra's most faithful believers and ask them to do the praying/flipping, the results will be the same. Therefore, as rational people, we conclude that Ra is imaginary. We look at Ra in the same way that we look at Leprechauns, Mermaids, Santa and so on. We know that people who believe in Ra are delusional.

Now I want you to try the experiment again, but this time I want you to pray to Jesus Christ instead of Ra. Pray sincerely to Jesus like this:

Dear Jesus, I know that you exist and I know that you hear and answer prayers as you promise in the Bible. I am going to flip this ordinary coin 50 times, and I am asking you to cause it to land heads-side-up all 50 times. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.
Now flip the coin. Once again, after the fifth or sixth flip, the coin will land tails.
If we flip the coin thousands of times, praying to Jesus each time, we will find that the coin lands heads or tails in exact correlation with the normal laws of probability. It is not like there are two laws of probability -- one for Christians who pray and the other for non-Christians. There is only one law of probability because prayers have zero effect. Jesus has no effect on our planet no matter how much we pray. We can prove that conclusively using statitical analysis.

If you believe in God, watch what is happening inside your mind right now. The data is absolutely identical in both experiments. With Ra you looked at the data rationally and concluded that Ra is imaginary. But with Jesus... something else will happen. In your mind, you are already coming up with a thousand rationalizations to explain why Jesus did not answer your prayers:

It is not his will
He doesn't have time
I didn't pray the right way
I am not worthy
I do not have enough faith
I cannot test the Lord like this
It is not part of Jesus' plan for me
And on and on and on...

One rationalization that you may find yourself developing is particularly interesting. You may say to yourself: “Well, of course Jesus doesn’t answer me when I pray about a coin toss, because it is too trivial." Where did this rationalization come from? If you read what Jesus says about prayer in the Bible, Jesus does not ever say, "don't pray to me about coin tosses." Jesus clearly says he will answer your prayers, and he puts no boundaries on what you may pray for. You invented this rationalization out of thin air.
You are an expert at creating rationalizations for Jesus. The reason you are an expert is because Jesus does not answer any of your prayers. The reason why Jesus does not answer any of your prayers is because Jesus and God are imaginary

Ok...that was long...sorry! But~the responses I received were full of epic ignorance and downright denial. So does anybody know of anything else maybe similar to this, some sort of post (aside from my typical offensive pictures) to get another conversation going with my delusional friends?

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29-01-2014, 03:48 PM
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You're opening yourself up to a shitstorm of Christians claiming they got 50 heads.

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29-01-2014, 03:50 PM
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(29-01-2014 03:48 PM)Phil Hill Wrote:  You're opening yourself up to a shitstorm of Christians claiming they got 50 heads.
They would be really easy to spot. Wink

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29-01-2014, 03:51 PM
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(29-01-2014 03:48 PM)Phil Hill Wrote:  You're opening yourself up to a shitstorm of Christians claiming they got 50 heads.

If I can just plant the tiniest seed of doubt, I'm happy Wink

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29-01-2014, 04:05 PM
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Hehe... nice trick, but Christians have plenty memes along the lines of 'that's too trivial for God, you can't test God like that, it's disrespectful blah blah blah'... They're all pretty weak, especially the ones that break out the bible verses, but to a Christian they look like good responses so much so that... it might not even make a dent in the old brain-case... but hey, you might catch a kid with your evil ways Big Grin Though the older they are the stringier they tend to be...

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29-01-2014, 04:08 PM
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(29-01-2014 04:05 PM)morondog Wrote:  Hehe... nice trick, but Christians have plenty memes along the lines of 'that's too trivial for God, you can't test God like that, it's disrespectful blah blah blah'... They're all pretty weak, especially the ones that break out the bible verses, but to a Christian they look like good responses so much so that... it might not even make a dent in the old brain-case... but hey, you might catch a kid with your evil ways Big Grin Though the older they are the stringier they tend to be...

That was precisely the point...to show them their minds will rationalize their prayers not being answered by god, but totally dismissing the same results when it comes to Ra bc Ra is fictional. There was something like 1200 comments to this post...most of them saying they refused to test god or pray to ra...followed by an all out atheist attack on their way of thinking and reasoning. It was fun, lost me a few fb friends, but also got a few people to pull their heads out of their asses and think about the world as they know it.

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29-01-2014, 04:18 PM
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Sadly, you'll get a bunch of different spiels on how that's not how prayer works and how you're not supposed to test God. If you want to make prayer look more pointless, try this:

Start with a person who gets cancer. They pray to get better. One of three things (and only three things) will happen:

1) The person gets better because God was already planning on it. Prayer is redundant. They would have healed anyway.

2) The person does not get better and dies because God was already planning on it. Prayer is redundant. They are going to die, regardless.

3) God heals them specifically because they prayed. God made them or let them get cancer for the sole purpose of wanting them to come to him to fix the problem.

That's it. There's no magical forth option. Either prayer is redundant, or God has some really weird self esteem issues. The whole notion of prayer really runs counter to the idea of God's Will.

They may tell you the point of prayer is to communicate with God and not to get magical, world-altering results, but most of them still pray for these results anyway.
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29-01-2014, 04:22 PM
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(29-01-2014 04:18 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Sadly, you'll get a bunch of different spiels on how that's not how prayer works and how you're not supposed to test God. If you want to make prayer look more pointless, try this:

Start with a person who gets cancer. They pray to get better. One of three things (and only three things) will happen:

1) The person gets better because God was already planning on it. Prayer is redundant. They would have healed anyway.

2) The person does not get better and dies because God was already planning on it. Prayer is redundant. They are going to die, regardless.

3) God heals them specifically because they prayed. God made them or let them get cancer for the sole purpose of wanting them to come to him to fix the problem.

That's it. There's no magical forth option. Either prayer is redundant, or God has some really weird self esteem issues. The whole notion of prayer really runs counter to the idea of God's Will.

They may tell you the point of prayer is to communicate with God and not to get magical, world-altering results, but most of them still pray for these results anyway.

I'm pretty sure I've done something along those lines as well...and it makes perfect sense~unless you're a theist. In that case, it's an insane way of looking at it Huh I got yelled at, reported, and unfriended...which is fine. Then a few people asked me to stop, to which I responded "why don't you pray for me to stop?" and all hell broke loose...was a great day Heart

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29-01-2014, 04:28 PM
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(29-01-2014 04:22 PM)kellyrm Wrote:  I got yelled at, reported, and unfriended...which is fine. Then a few people asked me to stop, to which I responded "why don't you pray for me to stop?" and all hell broke loose...was a great day Heart

I envy all the fun you're having. Speaking of prayer I saw the following sign outside a church nearby, I'll take a pic as soon as I pray the roads to thaw out from the recent ice storm.

"Pray so that that you may know what to pray for"

FFS

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29-01-2014, 04:31 PM
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(29-01-2014 04:28 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(29-01-2014 04:22 PM)kellyrm Wrote:  I got yelled at, reported, and unfriended...which is fine. Then a few people asked me to stop, to which I responded "why don't you pray for me to stop?" and all hell broke loose...was a great day Heart

I envy all the fun you're having. Speaking of prayer I saw the following sign outside a church nearby, I'll take a pic as soon as I pray the roads to thaw out from the recent ice storm.

"Pray so that that you may know what to pray for"

FFS

At one point, I was afraid to admin I was atheist...but today I've learned to use it to my advantage. Either way, some of these Christians have never experienced even the faintest mention of the possibility of their whole life and way of viewing the world being a sham~so knowing I could put that idea somewhere in the back of their minds puts a smile on my face.

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