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30-01-2014, 11:59 AM
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I don't do the facebook thing, but waging a counter attack on the mushy god woo-woo on there may get me to join again.

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30-01-2014, 12:00 PM
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(30-01-2014 11:59 AM)Timber1025 Wrote:  I don't do the facebook thing, but waging a counter attack on the mushy god woo-woo on there may get me to join again.

It's fun...and it's YOUR page, so they can't kick you off or shut you up. Sure, they can unfriend you...but by that point, you've already got them thinking Consider

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30-01-2014, 12:04 PM
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My teenage kids tell me that Facebook is dead as they tinker around on the other social sites that are more popular.

“Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up, must come down, down, down. Amen! If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it.”
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30-01-2014, 12:07 PM
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(30-01-2014 12:04 PM)Timber1025 Wrote:  My teenage kids tell me that Facebook is dead as they tinker around on the other social sites that are more popular.

Meh...I only use Facebook and Twitter. You can get a good debate going on Twitter, but the little old ladies on Facebook are much more fun Angel

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30-01-2014, 12:14 PM
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(30-01-2014 12:04 PM)Timber1025 Wrote:  My teenage kids tell me that Facebook is dead as they tinker around on the other social sites that are more popular.

Facebook isn't dead. Is just been overrun by woo and the anti everything luddites.

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30-01-2014, 12:44 PM
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(30-01-2014 12:14 PM)Phil Hill Wrote:  
(30-01-2014 12:04 PM)Timber1025 Wrote:  My teenage kids tell me that Facebook is dead as they tinker around on the other social sites that are more popular.

Facebook isn't dead. Is just been overrun by woo and the anti everything luddites.

Nuh-uh! I'm doing my part to fill it with Gwynnies. Heart

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30-01-2014, 12:52 PM
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(30-01-2014 12:14 PM)Phil Hill Wrote:  
(30-01-2014 12:04 PM)Timber1025 Wrote:  My teenage kids tell me that Facebook is dead as they tinker around on the other social sites that are more popular.

Facebook isn't dead. Is just been overrun by woo and the anti everything luddites.

The only way to fix FB is to stop being vaccinated and to take colloidal silver water, instead.
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30-01-2014, 07:45 PM
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(29-01-2014 03:25 PM)kellyrm Wrote:  I've posted this "experiment" on my FB page in the interest of seeing the response of my theist friends.

A SIMPLE EXPERIMENT

If you are a Christian who believes in the power of prayer, here is a very simple experiment that will show you something very interesting about your faith.

Take a coin out of your pocket. Now pray sincerely to Ra:

Dear Ra, almighty sun god, I am going to flip this ordinary coin 50 times, and I am asking you to cause it to land heads-side-up all 50 times. In Ra's name I pray, Amen.
Now flip the coin. Chances are that you won't get past the fifth or sixth flip and the coin will land tails.
What does this mean? Most people would look at this data and conclude that Ra is imaginary. We prayed to Ra, and Ra did nothing. We can prove that Ra is imaginary (at least in the sense of prayer-answering ability) by using statistical analysis. If we flip the coin thousands of times, praying to Ra each time, we will find that the coin lands heads or tails in exact correlation with the normal laws of probability. Ra has absolutely no effect on the coin no matter how much we pray. Even if we find a thousand of Ra's most faithful believers and ask them to do the praying/flipping, the results will be the same. Therefore, as rational people, we conclude that Ra is imaginary. We look at Ra in the same way that we look at Leprechauns, Mermaids, Santa and so on. We know that people who believe in Ra are delusional.

Now I want you to try the experiment again, but this time I want you to pray to Jesus Christ instead of Ra. Pray sincerely to Jesus like this:

Dear Jesus, I know that you exist and I know that you hear and answer prayers as you promise in the Bible. I am going to flip this ordinary coin 50 times, and I am asking you to cause it to land heads-side-up all 50 times. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.
Now flip the coin. Once again, after the fifth or sixth flip, the coin will land tails.
If we flip the coin thousands of times, praying to Jesus each time, we will find that the coin lands heads or tails in exact correlation with the normal laws of probability. It is not like there are two laws of probability -- one for Christians who pray and the other for non-Christians. There is only one law of probability because prayers have zero effect. Jesus has no effect on our planet no matter how much we pray. We can prove that conclusively using statitical analysis.

If you believe in God, watch what is happening inside your mind right now. The data is absolutely identical in both experiments. With Ra you looked at the data rationally and concluded that Ra is imaginary. But with Jesus... something else will happen. In your mind, you are already coming up with a thousand rationalizations to explain why Jesus did not answer your prayers:

It is not his will
He doesn't have time
I didn't pray the right way
I am not worthy
I do not have enough faith
I cannot test the Lord like this
It is not part of Jesus' plan for me
And on and on and on...

One rationalization that you may find yourself developing is particularly interesting. You may say to yourself: “Well, of course Jesus doesn’t answer me when I pray about a coin toss, because it is too trivial." Where did this rationalization come from? If you read what Jesus says about prayer in the Bible, Jesus does not ever say, "don't pray to me about coin tosses." Jesus clearly says he will answer your prayers, and he puts no boundaries on what you may pray for. You invented this rationalization out of thin air.
You are an expert at creating rationalizations for Jesus. The reason you are an expert is because Jesus does not answer any of your prayers. The reason why Jesus does not answer any of your prayers is because Jesus and God are imaginary

Ok...that was long...sorry! But~the responses I received were full of epic ignorance and downright denial. So does anybody know of anything else maybe similar to this, some sort of post (aside from my typical offensive pictures) to get another conversation going with my delusional friends?

And then the Clever atheist asked, "If God can do anything, can he create a rock so heavy he can't lift it." Then all the atheist laughed with joy and thunderous applause.

Dude, your series of prayers and experiments are just plain dumb. There is actually something in the bible about trying to prove stuff to people who want you to do something dumb.

While we are doing doing dumb experiments. Why don't I play the lottery and have faith I'll win. smh.
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30-01-2014, 08:40 PM
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(30-01-2014 07:45 PM)anidominus Wrote:  
(29-01-2014 03:25 PM)kellyrm Wrote:  I've posted this "experiment" on my FB page in the interest of seeing the response of my theist friends.

A SIMPLE EXPERIMENT

If you are a Christian who believes in the power of prayer, here is a very simple experiment that will show you something very interesting about your faith.

Take a coin out of your pocket. Now pray sincerely to Ra:

Dear Ra, almighty sun god, I am going to flip this ordinary coin 50 times, and I am asking you to cause it to land heads-side-up all 50 times. In Ra's name I pray, Amen.
Now flip the coin. Chances are that you won't get past the fifth or sixth flip and the coin will land tails.
What does this mean? Most people would look at this data and conclude that Ra is imaginary. We prayed to Ra, and Ra did nothing. We can prove that Ra is imaginary (at least in the sense of prayer-answering ability) by using statistical analysis. If we flip the coin thousands of times, praying to Ra each time, we will find that the coin lands heads or tails in exact correlation with the normal laws of probability. Ra has absolutely no effect on the coin no matter how much we pray. Even if we find a thousand of Ra's most faithful believers and ask them to do the praying/flipping, the results will be the same. Therefore, as rational people, we conclude that Ra is imaginary. We look at Ra in the same way that we look at Leprechauns, Mermaids, Santa and so on. We know that people who believe in Ra are delusional.

Now I want you to try the experiment again, but this time I want you to pray to Jesus Christ instead of Ra. Pray sincerely to Jesus like this:

Dear Jesus, I know that you exist and I know that you hear and answer prayers as you promise in the Bible. I am going to flip this ordinary coin 50 times, and I am asking you to cause it to land heads-side-up all 50 times. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.
Now flip the coin. Once again, after the fifth or sixth flip, the coin will land tails.
If we flip the coin thousands of times, praying to Jesus each time, we will find that the coin lands heads or tails in exact correlation with the normal laws of probability. It is not like there are two laws of probability -- one for Christians who pray and the other for non-Christians. There is only one law of probability because prayers have zero effect. Jesus has no effect on our planet no matter how much we pray. We can prove that conclusively using statitical analysis.

If you believe in God, watch what is happening inside your mind right now. The data is absolutely identical in both experiments. With Ra you looked at the data rationally and concluded that Ra is imaginary. But with Jesus... something else will happen. In your mind, you are already coming up with a thousand rationalizations to explain why Jesus did not answer your prayers:

It is not his will
He doesn't have time
I didn't pray the right way
I am not worthy
I do not have enough faith
I cannot test the Lord like this
It is not part of Jesus' plan for me
And on and on and on...

One rationalization that you may find yourself developing is particularly interesting. You may say to yourself: “Well, of course Jesus doesn’t answer me when I pray about a coin toss, because it is too trivial." Where did this rationalization come from? If you read what Jesus says about prayer in the Bible, Jesus does not ever say, "don't pray to me about coin tosses." Jesus clearly says he will answer your prayers, and he puts no boundaries on what you may pray for. You invented this rationalization out of thin air.
You are an expert at creating rationalizations for Jesus. The reason you are an expert is because Jesus does not answer any of your prayers. The reason why Jesus does not answer any of your prayers is because Jesus and God are imaginary

Ok...that was long...sorry! But~the responses I received were full of epic ignorance and downright denial. So does anybody know of anything else maybe similar to this, some sort of post (aside from my typical offensive pictures) to get another conversation going with my delusional friends?

And then the Clever atheist asked, "If God can do anything, can he create a rock so heavy he can't lift it." Then all the atheist laughed with joy and thunderous applause.

Dude, your series of prayers and experiments are just plain dumb. There is actually something in the bible about trying to prove stuff to people who want you to do something dumb.

While we are doing doing dumb experiments. Why don't I play the lottery and have faith I'll win. smh.
Dude?? Ok, anyways...the answering of the prayer was NOT the point...the point is, people will answer with some bullshit rationalization...much like you just did.

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30-01-2014, 08:43 PM
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(30-01-2014 08:40 PM)kellyrm Wrote:  
(30-01-2014 07:45 PM)anidominus Wrote:  And then the Clever atheist asked, "If God can do anything, can he create a rock so heavy he can't lift it." Then all the atheist laughed with joy and thunderous applause.

Dude, your series of prayers and experiments are just plain dumb. There is actually something in the bible about trying to prove stuff to people who want you to do something dumb.

While we are doing doing dumb experiments. Why don't I play the lottery and have faith I'll win. smh.
Dude?? Ok, anyways...the answering of the prayer was NOT the point...the point is, people will answer with some bullshit rationalization...much like you just did.

I didn't read anything rational in his add hoc baloney.

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