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28-06-2012, 07:33 PM
Health Care Ruling
So if all the people that are threatening to leave the country because of today's ruling, does the collective IQ of the country get higher? If they actually made good on their threats, I think that would take care of the unemployment problem...just thinking out loud... Wink

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28-06-2012, 07:39 PM
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They're leaving because they don't want universal healthcare. Where are they going to go? Canada? The UK? France? No

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28-06-2012, 07:48 PM (This post was last modified: 28-06-2012 08:01 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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It was interesting. At the top of the hour, CNN first began to announce it had been struck down. Then about a minute later, NPR was saying it was upheld. It was quite the circus. In days to come, watch .. the reporting will become the story. ALso interesting that a Bush appointee is the Tea Party villian now. Roberts has become increasingly concerned that the court is held in general contempt for being a political rubber stamp, in his speeches. Scallia should resign for his big mouth last week about the immigration thing. Roberts saw an opportunity. Hope he takes another one in Prop 8. Of course the idiot, (Thomas), just sleeps away. Sotomayor asked more questions on her first day, than he has in his entire career.

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28-06-2012, 07:56 PM
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The ruling surprised me. I thought it was crappy legislation to begin with, but I didn't think the court would uphold the mandate. It was legal gymnastics on Roberts part to cast the mandate as a tax therefore within the purview of Congress.

That said, I'm glad the court ruled in its favor. Crappy legislation is still an improvement over the status quo. I have a bunch of conservative friends threatening to leave the country now that we are officially socialist. I want to tell them to not let the door hit the in their ass...

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28-06-2012, 07:58 PM
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(28-06-2012 07:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  It was interesting. At the top of the hour, CNN first began to announce it had been struck down. Then about a minute later, NPR was saying it was upheld. It was quite the circus. In days to come, watch .. the reporting will become the story. ALso interesting that a Bush appointee is the Tea Party villian now. Roberts has become increasingly concerned that the court is held in general contempt for being a political rubber stamp, in his speeches. Scallia should resign for his big mouth last week about the immigration thing. Roberts saw an opportunity. Hope he takes another one in Prop 8. Of course the idot, (Thomas), just sleeps away. Sotomayor asked more questions on her first day, than he has in his entire career.
My impression is that Roberts doesn't care for this law, but he cares about The Law, The Constitution, and The Court. Good for him.

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28-06-2012, 08:37 PM
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(28-06-2012 07:33 PM)Seasbury Wrote:  So if all the people that are threatening to leave the country because of today's ruling, does the collective IQ of the country get higher? If they actually made good on their threats, I think that would take care of the unemployment problem...just thinking out loud... Wink
Yay! But I don't know what country would want them?

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28-06-2012, 09:39 PM
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I don't think I've read anywhere that people were going to leave the country over a ruling in favor of the Healthcare Law.

Regarding Roberts, he did a number of things in writing the majority opinion that liberals are not going to like in the long run:
--For one, the majority opinion put in new constraints on the Commerce Clause. This is important because it has been used by the left to push everything and anything they want through the courts.
--The idea that this law was constitutional because of a General Welfare clause was soundly rejected. This is another reason the left as liked citing for why this law was ok.
--For the first time ever, the Supreme Court struck down a law's provision that forces a State to pass certain laws or run certain programs or suffer withdrawal of federal funds. This is rather significant since this is the primary way the left uses the federal government to force states to adopt policies that the federal government itself does not have the power to legislate. This ruling could be used to challenge other federal unfunded mandates.
--And lastly, the rationale for supporting the law because the mandate is a tax does more than just formulate the GOP talking point for why this law should be opposed politically. All over the blogs that is the main refrain from the right--it's now not just Obamacare, it's Obamatax. If the right manages to win a slim majority of the Senate, retain the House, and win the Presidency, the left will see the same tactic used to repeal the law that the left used to pass it. Specifically, since the law is a 2500 page tax bill, per the Supreme Court ruling, the Senate allows a reconciliation process to pass a repeal on 51 votes with no filibuster permissible.

The right will gripe that Roberts allowed the bill to stand, but the GOP wins tax battles all the time. Nothing will fire up the right like this ruling. Whatever the left will say, they passed this law in the face of strong public opposition which has not dissipated since its passage. If the GOP does gain a majority, no matter how slim, they will repeal this law. And they should repeal this law.
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28-06-2012, 10:12 PM
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28-06-2012, 10:20 PM
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(28-06-2012 10:12 PM)Hafnof Wrote:  http://thestrangestquark.tumblr.com/post...macare-gay
"I'm moving to Canada" ...Ha!

If that's all there was, then I would suggest that you might need to tune up your irony detectors Smile The left and right often times live in separate bubbles that don't overlap. On the right, this is an ironic attack at socialized medicine and a hyperbolic attack on the Obama Healthcare bill.
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28-06-2012, 10:33 PM
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(28-06-2012 10:20 PM)BryanS Wrote:  
(28-06-2012 10:12 PM)Hafnof Wrote:  http://thestrangestquark.tumblr.com/post...macare-gay
"I'm moving to Canada" ...Ha!

If that's all there was, then I would suggest that you might need to tune up your irony detectors Smile The left and right often times live in separate bubbles that don't overlap. On the right, this is an ironic attack at socialized medicine and a hyperbolic attack on the Obama Healthcare bill.
Humor parodies reality. There's plenty of people posting it ironically yet there are some, not serious in their intentions, but seriously thinking Canada would be better since it's away from the evil Obamaman.

Well I would say the bubbles overlapped at the "moving to Canada" bit... That rhetoric was used massively in 2000/2004 when Bush became president. Some of the reasons were solid but when the claim was that Bush would turn the country into a Christian Nation, the oddity is that Canada is one.. Although they have the more open secular population.

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