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15-05-2013, 09:00 PM
RE: Hell In The Old Testament
(15-05-2013 08:52 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(15-05-2013 06:27 PM)childeye Wrote:  I'm not familiar with Augustine but I do know that the fire spoken of is not like the fire we know. God's fire is a purifying fire.

"I'm not familiar with Augustine"

Gosh! Who....exactly....are....you....familiar....with?

Which of the church fathers have you read?

Which modern historian have you read?

Have you...in fact....ever read an historical work?

The anecdotal evidence I have acquired would suggest not many.

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15-05-2013, 09:02 PM
RE: Hell In The Old Testament
(15-05-2013 08:52 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(15-05-2013 06:27 PM)childeye Wrote:  I'm not familiar with Augustine but I do know that the fire spoken of is not like the fire we know. God's fire is a purifying fire.

"I'm not familiar with Augustine"

Gosh! Who....exactly....are....you....familiar....with?

Which of the church fathers have you read?

Which modern historian have you read?

Have you...in fact....ever read an historical work?
Yes I've read Augustine, but just not that part in the city of God.
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15-05-2013, 09:05 PM
RE: Hell In The Old Testament
(15-05-2013 08:57 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(15-05-2013 08:52 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  "I'm not familiar with Augustine"

Gosh! Who....exactly....are....you....familiar....with?

Which of the church fathers have you read?

Which modern historian have you read?

Have you...in fact....ever read an historical work?

Does David Barton count?

http://christian-libertarian.org/2012/08...scredited/

I 'specially like Dan Brown. Weeping

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15-05-2013, 09:11 PM (This post was last modified: 15-05-2013 09:38 PM by Full Circle.)
RE: Hell In The Old Testament
(15-05-2013 09:05 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(15-05-2013 08:57 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Does David Barton count?

http://christian-libertarian.org/2012/08...scredited/

I 'specially like Dan Brown. Weeping

Yes! One of the greatest Shocking modern historians of our times, entertaining too!

I see someone is backpeddaling Cool OHHHH, that St. Augustine! Oh him, yeah, yeah, I remember him now. We went to school together, yeah, that's it. He's the fuckwad that injected sexism into early Catholic dogma by saying women were intellectually and morally inferior.

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15-05-2013, 09:37 PM
RE: Hell In The Old Testament
(15-05-2013 09:11 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(15-05-2013 09:05 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I 'specially like Dan Brown. Weeping

Yes! One of the greatest Shocking modern historians of our times, entertaining too!

I see someone is backpeddaling Cool OHHHH, that St. Augustine! Oh him, yeah, yeah, I remember him now. We went to school together, yeah, that's it.
Funny.
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15-05-2013, 09:43 PM
RE: Hell In The Old Testament
(15-05-2013 08:31 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  If you don't like what the bible says transform it into a metaphor, allegory, parable or simile.
Actually, it is my experience that the carnal mind will have a different take.
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15-05-2013, 09:54 PM
RE: Hell In The Old Testament
(15-05-2013 09:02 PM)childeye Wrote:  
(15-05-2013 08:52 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  "I'm not familiar with Augustine"

Gosh! Who....exactly....are....you....familiar....with?

Which of the church fathers have you read?

Which modern historian have you read?

Have you...in fact....ever read an historical work?
Yes I've read Augustine, but just not that part in the city of God.

I see you've contributed over 800 posts here. I haven't read them all, but of the ones I have read you claim to know a lot about god. Perhaps you could tell everyone from where you get your knowledge? A list of books you've read from reputable scholars is, I think, not asking too much. I can do the same for you....if you're interested.
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15-05-2013, 09:56 PM
RE: Hell In The Old Testament
(15-05-2013 09:11 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(15-05-2013 09:05 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I 'specially like Dan Brown. Weeping

Yes! One of the greatest Shocking modern historians of our times, entertaining too!

I see someone is backpeddaling Cool OHHHH, that St. Augustine! Oh him, yeah, yeah, I remember him now. We went to school together, yeah, that's it. He's the fuckwad that injected sexism into early Catholic dogma by saying women were intellectually and morally inferior.

I think that sex-obsessed dude (Augustine) was the guy who cooked up "original sin". He was a serious psycho.

Childish, you don't get to make up shit about a fire, where there was none just because it makes sense to you. There is not a shred of evidence that Sheol had a fire, or there was suffering there until the word got translated into the Greek Haedes. I don't think Haedes had a fire either. Leave it to the nut-job Christians to add that lovely concept.

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15-05-2013, 10:16 PM
RE: Hell In The Old Testament
(15-05-2013 09:56 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(15-05-2013 09:11 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Yes! One of the greatest Shocking modern historians of our times, entertaining too!

I see someone is backpeddaling Cool OHHHH, that St. Augustine! Oh him, yeah, yeah, I remember him now. We went to school together, yeah, that's it. He's the fuckwad that injected sexism into early Catholic dogma by saying women were intellectually and morally inferior.

I think that sex-obsessed dude (Augustine) was the guy who cooked up "original sin". He was a serious psycho.

Childish, you don't get to make up shit about a fire, where there was none just because it makes sense to you. There is not a shred of evidence that Sheol had a fire, or there was suffering there until the word got translated into the Greek Haedes. I don't think Haedes had a fire either. Leave it to the nut-job Christians to add that lovely concept.

Sex obsessed? Look....we're all allowed a little fantasy or two...even Augustine.... he pondered over
“whether angels, inasmuch as they are spirits, could have bodily intercourse with women?” (The City of God, Book XV, Chapter 23). After much deliberation over an entirely imaginary subject, he concluded that they can and do, and that he had proof:
“Many proven instances, that Sylvans and Fauns, who are commonly called ‘Incubi,’ had often made wicked assaults upon women, and satisfied their lusts upon them: and that certain devils, called Duses by the Gauls, are constantly attempting and effecting this impurity.” (City of God, book xv, chapter 23).
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15-05-2013, 10:24 PM
RE: Hell In The Old Testament
(15-05-2013 10:16 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(15-05-2013 09:56 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I think that sex-obsessed dude (Augustine) was the guy who cooked up "original sin". He was a serious psycho.

Childish, you don't get to make up shit about a fire, where there was none just because it makes sense to you. There is not a shred of evidence that Sheol had a fire, or there was suffering there until the word got translated into the Greek Haedes. I don't think Haedes had a fire either. Leave it to the nut-job Christians to add that lovely concept.

Sex obsessed? Look....we're all allowed a little fantasy or two...even Augustine.... he pondered over
“whether angels, inasmuch as they are spirits, could have bodily intercourse with women?” (The City of God, Book XV, Chapter 23). After much deliberation over an entirely imaginary subject, he concluded that they can and do, and that he had proof:
“Many proven instances, that Sylvans and Fauns, who are commonly called ‘Incubi,’ had often made wicked assaults upon women, and satisfied their lusts upon them: and that certain devils, called Duses by the Gauls, are constantly attempting and effecting this impurity.” (City of God, book xv, chapter 23).

Heh heh. THAT is hilarious. I may have to pop over to my *other* forum, and post that. (They're gonna boot me out one of these days).
Now I HAVE to get out my copy.

In the Compendium of Theology, Aquinas said the reason the snake went to Eve first, was "The light of reason shone less brightly in her".
They're not sexist. No. Not a bit. Dodgy

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