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12-10-2016, 09:26 PM (This post was last modified: 12-10-2016 09:29 PM by Chas.)
RE: Hello, from an ex-atheist
(12-10-2016 09:20 PM)unknowndevil666 Wrote:  
(12-10-2016 07:26 PM)Chas Wrote:  You have provided no logical explanation tying the ideas in the first list to your conclusion.

As for the second list, there is no evidence for any of them. I doubt they are testable, let alone falsifiable; therefore, they are not scientific hypotheses.

I wasn't trying to make an argument, I was just expressing my beliefs and the concepts I use that influenced them, so I didn't try to tie them together.
Now I asked about your beliefs, but I can only try and assume from your response that you just don't believe there is evidence. And then you say you're doubtful, but it then turns into a certain "therefore, they are not".

Re-read what I wrote. What they are not is scientific hypotheses, they are just unevidenced assertions.

Quote:What I was hoping to look for was not what you don't believe but what you do believe. What do you believe about the nature of mathematics? What do you believe about the extent of the powers of science? Things like that.

Mathematics is a set of tools invented by humans. One reason we create these to tools so that we can model reality.
It is not known whether all of reality can or cannot be described mathematically.

Science is a methodology and is the only path to knowledge of the physical universe.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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12-10-2016, 09:58 PM
RE: Hello, from an ex-atheist
(12-10-2016 09:22 PM)unknowndevil666 Wrote:  
(12-10-2016 09:11 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  nice to meet you. Just so you know there is no such thing as an agnostic and you are an atheist so you gotta just deal with that.

Welcome to the forums.

I've argued extensively on the meaning of the labels so I'm not going to continue that here but I feel the need to point out that what you're stating as fact is fairly contested among other atheists on this forum.

and anyone else who says agnostics exist are also wrong. But, that is fine, I don't want to argue this point anyway. My message was just a shot at ya while saying hello.


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12-10-2016, 10:03 PM
RE: Hello, from an ex-atheist
(12-10-2016 09:58 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  and anyone else who says agnostics exist are also wrong. But, that is fine, I don't want to argue this point anyway. My message was just a shot at ya while saying hello.

Well hello then!Big Grin
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12-10-2016, 10:08 PM
RE: Hello, from an ex-atheist
(12-10-2016 09:26 PM)Chas Wrote:  Mathematics is a set of tools invented by humans. One reason we create these to tools so that we can model reality.
It is not known whether all of reality can or cannot be described mathematically.

Science is a methodology and is the only path to knowledge of the physical universe.

See I figured you'd be of the type to view mathematics as a tool. I just wanted to know for certain Smile It gives me a better idea of where you're coming from. I'm more of an idealist/theorist than a pragmatist myself.
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13-10-2016, 08:12 AM
RE: Hello, from an ex-atheist
Welcome! It seems like you are going to fit right in ere. I am an atheist, probably a 6.5 on the Dawkins scale. All I can say is that if there is indeed a hell, I'm definitely going there.

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13-10-2016, 08:13 AM
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(13-10-2016 08:12 AM)TurkeyBurner Wrote:  Welcome! It seems like you are going to fit right in ere. I am an atheist, probably a 6.5 on the Dawkins scale. All I can say is that if there is indeed a hell, I'm definitely going there.

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13-10-2016, 08:16 AM
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(13-10-2016 08:13 AM)jennybee Wrote:  
(13-10-2016 08:12 AM)TurkeyBurner Wrote:  Welcome! It seems like you are going to fit right in ere. I am an atheist, probably a 6.5 on the Dawkins scale. All I can say is that if there is indeed a hell, I'm definitely going there.

See you there Wink I'll bring the marshmallows Tongue

I got the graham crackers. I'll leave the chocolate bars to somebody else.
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13-10-2016, 10:22 AM
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(13-10-2016 08:16 AM)skyking Wrote:  
(13-10-2016 08:13 AM)jennybee Wrote:  See you there Wink I'll bring the marshmallows Tongue

I got the graham crackers. I'll leave the chocolate bars to somebody else.

I'll grab them on my way there....
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13-10-2016, 12:15 PM (This post was last modified: 13-10-2016 12:59 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Hello, from an ex-atheist
(12-10-2016 09:23 AM)unknowndevil666 Wrote:  
(12-10-2016 08:20 AM)Chas Wrote:  How did that influence it? Consider

I don't know if I can say they lead directly into me thinking "Hey, a god can exist", but they did influence my worldview which eventually adopted an idea of god. Specifically, some of the concepts were (and I added some from physics as well):
  • the omnipresence of complexity
  • information theory
  • how axioms define truths as well as the results of Godel's Incompleteness Theorems
  • set theory as the foundation of mathematics
  • Einstein's relativity
  • quantum field theory
  • multiverse/simulation theory
Some of the beliefs I began to develop over time were (roughly):
  • physical and mathematical reality as one in the same
  • reality is not bound to the universe we live in
  • existence (and very recently time and space) as relative to systems (vague, I know)
I'm going to stop here 'cause my head is starting to hurt trying to remember things.
Oh, and as for the agnostic deist thing, I'll be taking note of that Angel

Order and complexity arise spontaneously. No gods required.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

A god that "exists" does not "not exist". Reality, by definition, therefore, was larger (always) than a god that "exists". Reality remains unexplained, (and that god is meaningless - as a creator). A god that exists, found itself as part of a larger Reality.

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