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26-04-2017, 04:00 PM
RE: Hello, new to this forum because of a debate on evolution
(26-04-2017 12:23 PM)gkamps Wrote:  The theory can explain so much about our observations of nature. Sure it's technically not an objective fact, hence why it's called a theory, but it's more probable than all other explanations.

You are mistaking a scientific theory with the common usage of the word theory.

"the word "theory" means something very different in lay language than it does in science: A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. But to the average Jane or Joe, a theory is just an idea that lives in someone’s head, rather than an explanation rooted in experiment and testing."

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27-04-2017, 02:02 AM
RE: Hello, new to this forum because of a debate on evolution
Evolution has been observed. For example, in a Canadian lake fed by streams, trout were released by fishermen for sport fishing. Over 75 years the fish evolved into two species. One that lived in the lake in still water. Large and slow moving. And another the developed a smaller more active form that lived in the streams.

Another similar case was observed in Guatemala in a lake disrupted by a volcanic eruption nearby. One species develope large tough lips for foraging among the volcanic hardened lava, another lived in deep water and did not evolve these lips.

And of course there were the fish of Lake Victoria. Lake Victoria in Africa was a new feature that formed at the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago. 500 species of Chiclids evolved in that time. And the keyhole clam in the same area.

Over many years, New Scientist Magazine noted numerous such cases of rapid evolution. It would be nice if a nice collection was available of such facts to slap the creationists with.

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27-04-2017, 02:15 AM
RE: Hello, new to this forum because of a debate on evolution
Hey there, welcome Smile

Everyone has already beat me to it I see Wink So I'll just say... WTF? We have a creationism forum? Tongue

And even if the theory of evolution was false, that doesn't mean creationism is true.

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27-04-2017, 04:51 AM
RE: Hello, new to this forum because of a debate on evolution
(27-04-2017 02:15 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  WTF? We have a creationism forum? Tongue

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27-04-2017, 05:09 AM
RE: Hello, new to this forum because of a debate on evolution
(27-04-2017 02:02 AM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  Evolution has been observed. For example, in a Canadian lake fed by streams, trout were released by fishermen for sport fishing. Over 75 years the fish evolved into two species. One that lived in the lake in still water. Large and slow moving. And another the developed a smaller more active form that lived in the streams.

Another similar case was observed in Guatemala in a lake disrupted by a volcanic eruption nearby. One species develope large tough lips for foraging among the volcanic hardened lava, another lived in deep water and did not evolve these lips.

And of course there were the fish of Lake Victoria. Lake Victoria in Africa was a new feature that formed at the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago. 500 species of Chiclids evolved in that time. And the keyhole clam in the same area.

Over many years, New Scientist Magazine noted numerous such cases of rapid evolution. It would be nice if a nice collection was available of such facts to slap the creationists with.

> Here's another news item on rapid evolution: http://discovermagazine.com/2015/march/1...-fast-lane
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27-04-2017, 05:21 AM
RE: Hello, new to this forum because of a debate on evolution
Humans did this:

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They can't successfully reproduce together, meeting the definition of "not of the same species". It's rather like trying to crossbreed a Smart car and a semi-tractor. It just won't work.
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27-04-2017, 06:53 AM
RE: Hello, new to this forum because of a debate on evolution
Yabut "kinds".
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27-04-2017, 07:11 AM
RE: Hello, new to this forum because of a debate on evolution
(27-04-2017 05:21 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  Humans did this:

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They can't successfully reproduce together, meeting the definition of "not of the same species". It's rather like trying to crossbreed a Smart car and a semi-tractor. It just won't work.

Not sure why we need to bring this up. They are both still dogs and still related going back far enough in time. Of course those two cant breed, but they still belong to the same DOG family.

Humans cross bread plants too. Nature was making natural splits over long periods of time creating different looks long before humans learned to manipulate their environment. All this proves is that humans can manipulate things. Not sure how this helps defend evolution. Worries me to bring this up because fundies will go "A HA! SEE SEE SEE, if they need a manipulator then all life does".

What humans do in manipulating their environments has nothing to do with evolution itself needing a magical manipulator. Dogs are still ultimately related to species like wolves long before humans learned to cross breed them to create those different looks.

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27-04-2017, 07:15 AM
RE: Hello, new to this forum because of a debate on evolution
"They can't successfully reproduce together, meeting the definition of "not of the same species". "
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28-04-2017, 08:47 PM
RE: Hello, new to this forum because of a debate on evolution
Hello! Big Grin
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