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04-12-2016, 05:34 PM
RE: Help! Climate denying father
No, they trap energy and produce heat. Photons contain energy. They don't carry heat, and they don't transfer heat. When absorbed they cause atoms and molecules to become energised, hence heated.

A greenhouse does not work that way. A greenhouse works by the fact that heated air cannot escape and disperse itself higher in the atmosphere, hence trapping the heat.

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04-12-2016, 05:39 PM
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(04-12-2016 05:34 PM)Aractus Wrote:  No, they trap energy and produce heat. Photons contain energy. They don't carry heat, and they don't transfer heat. When absorbed they cause atoms and molecules to become energised, hence heated.

A greenhouse does not work that way. A greenhouse works by the fact that heated air cannot escape and disperse itself higher in the atmosphere, hence trapping the heat.

Holy fuck, no. Incoming (short wave) solar radiation is reradiated back out to space as long wave (infrared) radiation. Which is the frequency of radiation that greenhouse gases (like CO2 and methane and water) absorb, like insulation.

Your attempt at an explanation would be akin to saying that the insulation in our house produces heat instead of trapping the heat produced from within your house via a heater/stove/etc.

You seriously don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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04-12-2016, 05:40 PM
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You don't even know how energy works. And you don't appear to know what the EM spectrum is or how it works. No wonder you don't understand why it's important to mitigate and directly address climate change. Facepalm

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04-12-2016, 05:41 PM
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Please stop trying to incorrectly lecture people on science because you are spreading ignorant information.

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04-12-2016, 05:46 PM
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Again, photons do not contain any heat. They contain energy, and when absorbed produce heat. O3 absorbs UV FYI, so your definition of greenhouse gasses is misleading. Furthermore, O3 absorbs it on the way in, not the way out - that's not insulation, in fact if anything it cools the surface temperature. At least figure out how to use your term consistently.

Yes, most absorption by GHGs is on the way out trapping energy and producing heat.

Your description is fucking stupid - just because a radio absorbs photons and produces sound doesn't mean that photons carry sound. Nor do they carry heat. Nor do they carry babies. Nor do they carry water. They don't carry anything other than energy.

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04-12-2016, 05:50 PM
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(04-12-2016 05:46 PM)Aractus Wrote:  Again, photons do not contain any heat. They contain energy, and when absorbed produce heat. O3 absorbs UV FYI, so your definition of greenhouse gasses is misleading. Furthermore, O3 absorbs it on the way in, not the way out - that's not insulation, in fact if anything it cools the surface temperature. At least figure out how to use your term consistently.

Yes, most absorption by GHGs is on the way out trapping energy and producing heat.

Your description is fucking stupid - just because a radio absorbs photons and produces sound doesn't mean that photons carry sound. Nor do they carry heat. Nor do they carry babies. Nor do they carry water. They don't carry anything other than energy.

Jesus H. Christ. You do realize energy =/= photons, right?

You do realize that HEAT is also a form of energy, right?

You know that the EM spectrum includes short and long wave radiation as well as the visible light spectrum, right?

How does an atom produce heat? Let's start there.

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04-12-2016, 05:55 PM
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(04-12-2016 05:46 PM)Aractus Wrote:  Again, photons do not contain any heat. They contain energy, and when absorbed produce heat. O3 absorbs UV FYI, so your definition of greenhouse gasses is misleading. Furthermore, O3 absorbs it on the way in, not the way out - that's not insulation, in fact if anything it cools the surface temperature. At least figure out how to use your term consistently.

Yes, most absorption by GHGs is on the way out trapping energy and producing heat.

Your description is fucking stupid - just because a radio absorbs photons and produces sound doesn't mean that photons carry sound. Nor do they carry heat. Nor do they carry babies. Nor do they carry water. They don't carry anything other than energy.

This is like listening to my YEC, anti-vaccine, super conservative/religious father-in-law try to explain (incorrectly) how microwaves work. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't obvious that you spread this ignorance to other people like a disease.

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04-12-2016, 05:55 PM
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(04-12-2016 05:50 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  How does an atom produce heat? Let's start there.

In the main, by electrons moving between shells. When an atom absorbs a photon it energises the electron, which is pushed out of its shell creating heat.

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04-12-2016, 05:57 PM
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(04-12-2016 05:55 PM)Aractus Wrote:  
(04-12-2016 05:50 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  How does an atom produce heat? Let's start there.

In the main, by electrons moving between shells. When an atom absorbs a photon it energises the electron, which is pushed out of its shell creating heat.

No. You need to take a physics class.

Vibrational energy translates as heat. That's why absolute zero means total loss of atomic motion!

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04-12-2016, 05:58 PM
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You don't know what you're talking about. You've got even the most basic facts about heat, energy, radiation (EM spectrum), and matter wrong. Stop. It makes you look like a fucking dumbass. Preserve what little credibility you have left and take a class.

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