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20-12-2013, 05:46 PM
Help with Debate
I'm in a debate with a friend on debate.org, if anyone could offer advice on rebuttal ideas I would really appreciate it. Below is his argument and a link to the actual debate:

http://www.debate.org/debates/Atheism-vs...tianity/3/

In order for me to prove that God DOES exist, I will start by talking about how and why there is a God.

A critic can promptly cry foul and declare, "But you're saying that only God will prove God!" it's true that only God will tell us He has forever existed within the past which He is aware of everything. though we have a tendency to may physically see God, at some point we've to believe he's precisely who He claims to be in His Word, as well as His unlimited power and infinite information. however this doesn't mean our faith is blind and can't be confirmed in some way. It also doesn't mean that faith within the Bible contradicts operational science. God has given us confirming evidences so our religion isn't a blind religion however rational religion. once we begin from the Bible, we will see evidences that powerfully ensure what God has already said. we don"t believe God exists and is true only because He says this.

Unfortunately, skeptics rarely take time to verify the elaborated fulfilled prophecies of the Bible. Given our inability to prove the eternal God by our own human customs, ignoring these could be a serious error so. as an example, God Himself identifies correct foretelling of the future to be what separates Him from all false concepts of God.
Also, Acts 1:3 says the post-Resurrection appearances of Jesus"to as several as five hundred individuals at a time"are "many infallible proofs" that Jesus was specifically who He claimed to be: the Son of God. Matthew, Mark, John, Paul, and Peter all wrote that they saw Jesus up from the dead. many of us believe the written testimony regarding the events surrounding the american Revolutionary War while not one picture or video, however they fail to believe the written testimony of the forty authors whose works we have a tendency to collectively call "the Bible."

Scripture makes it clear that God"s eternal power and divine nature are clearly seen within the creation of the planet around us. God is saying that the look and complexness of nature makes it obvious that He exists. however arduous hearts typically refuse to simply accept any proof that the Bible is true, for it makes them responsible to a Creator God.
While we might not be able to scientifically prove the eternal, almighty God exists, we will see however the Bible is consistent with operational science. With the account of the Flood, we'd expect to search out billions of dead things buried in rock layers arranged down by water everywhere the world, that is exactly what we do find! we additionally see the universe is logical and orderly, and our Creator, as described within the Bible, is the God of order and logic. Ultimately, love, reason, knowledge, logic, and morality are all not possible to explain in a purely materialistic universe that exists out of the blue.

Over and over again the statements within the Bible are often confirmed as true (especially prophecies that solely God may have known) and in keeping with science, showing it can be trusted on all accounts, as well as the existence of God. Biblical faith in God is rational, not blind.

(Exodus 24:11)
(Isaiah 41:21"23, 44:6"8, 45:1"6, and 46:8"11)
(Romans 1:20; Psalm 19:1; 97:6; Job 12:7"10)
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26-12-2013, 05:07 PM
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End the debate rapidly and spare yourself the burning of calories you'll never get back by pointing out; if god is proven, their faith is void.
Everything else is just wordy nonsense.

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26-12-2013, 05:29 PM (This post was last modified: 26-12-2013 05:40 PM by Vosur.)
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"The thing about atheists is that y'all don't just believe, y'all have to question everything."

What exactly do you hope to achieve by debating this person? Rolleyes

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26-12-2013, 05:32 PM
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Well essential he is not delivering any arguments.

He is just endlessly repeating the phrase:





So what is there to debate?

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26-12-2013, 08:39 PM
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(20-12-2013 05:46 PM)Atheos666 Wrote:  I'm in a debate with a friend on debate.org, if anyone could offer advice on rebuttal ideas I would really appreciate it. Below is his argument and a link to the actual debate:

http://www.debate.org/debates/Atheism-vs...tianity/3/

In order for me to prove that God DOES exist, I will start by talking about how and why there is a God.

A critic can promptly cry foul and declare, "But you're saying that only God will prove God!" it's true that only God will tell us He has forever existed within the past which He is aware of everything. though we have a tendency to may physically see God, at some point we've to believe he's precisely who He claims to be in His Word, as well as His unlimited power and infinite information. however this doesn't mean our faith is blind and can't be confirmed in some way. It also doesn't mean that faith within the Bible contradicts operational science. God has given us confirming evidences so our religion isn't a blind religion however rational religion. once we begin from the Bible, we will see evidences that powerfully ensure what God has already said. we don"t believe God exists and is true only because He says this.

Unfortunately, skeptics rarely take time to verify the elaborated fulfilled prophecies of the Bible. Given our inability to prove the eternal God by our own human customs, ignoring these could be a serious error so. as an example, God Himself identifies correct foretelling of the future to be what separates Him from all false concepts of God.
Also, Acts 1:3 says the post-Resurrection appearances of Jesus"to as several as five hundred individuals at a time"are "many infallible proofs" that Jesus was specifically who He claimed to be: the Son of God. Matthew, Mark, John, Paul, and Peter all wrote that they saw Jesus up from the dead. many of us believe the written testimony regarding the events surrounding the american Revolutionary War while not one picture or video, however they fail to believe the written testimony of the forty authors whose works we have a tendency to collectively call "the Bible."

Scripture makes it clear that God"s eternal power and divine nature are clearly seen within the creation of the planet around us. God is saying that the look and complexness of nature makes it obvious that He exists. however arduous hearts typically refuse to simply accept any proof that the Bible is true, for it makes them responsible to a Creator God.
While we might not be able to scientifically prove the eternal, almighty God exists, we will see however the Bible is consistent with operational science. With the account of the Flood, we'd expect to search out billions of dead things buried in rock layers arranged down by water everywhere the world, that is exactly what we do find! we additionally see the universe is logical and orderly, and our Creator, as described within the Bible, is the God of order and logic. Ultimately, love, reason, knowledge, logic, and morality are all not possible to explain in a purely materialistic universe that exists out of the blue.

Over and over again the statements within the Bible are often confirmed as true (especially prophecies that solely God may have known) and in keeping with science, showing it can be trusted on all accounts, as well as the existence of God. Biblical faith in God is rational, not blind.

(Exodus 24:11)
(Isaiah 41:21"23, 44:6"8, 45:1"6, and 46:8"11)
(Romans 1:20; Psalm 19:1; 97:6; Job 12:7"10)

My advice:
Study some Geology & Biology and you will know the biblical flood of Noah is utter nonsense - totally disproved not only today but with what we knew 200 years ago.

All you need is one VERY clear entire false chapter in the bible and the entire document becomes suspiciously non divine but written by people with all their limitations and ignorance's. The Noah story is the most obvious falsehood.
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26-12-2013, 08:46 PM
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There are resources about unfulfilled prophecies and the like.. I would say use those and anything to debunk the bible, since that seems to be his main argument.
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26-12-2013, 08:52 PM (This post was last modified: 26-12-2013 09:01 PM by Baruch.)
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Quote:Also, Acts 1:3 says the post-Resurrection appearances of Jesus"to as several as five hundred individuals at a time"are "many infallible proofs" that Jesus was specifically who He claimed to be: the Son of God

Need to learn critical reasoning skills.
Because Acts says there were "several as five hundred individuals at a time" it does NOT mean there were 500 witnesses. What is does mean is we have a document by ONE person written many years later after the alleged incident CLAIMING there were 500 witnesses. This is extremely poor evidence - in a court immediately dismissed as worthless.

If I have 500 documents independently written - then we have 500 witnesses i.e imaging 500 gospels instead of 4. (in any case the gospels are NOT independent but partly copied from each other with conflicting mistakes)

Imagine a court case where the murder claims there were 500 witnesses someone else did the murder. We need to meet those other 500 or get multiple testimonies from others about the 500. Why should I believe the claims on one person, in this case Paul over the thousands of other claims made by solitary people ????? This is especially the case considering there were many "Miracle men" claims around the time of Jesus from other "prophets" You will call all those other claims to be false prophets - but again what is your evidence other than trying to defend your faith ?
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26-12-2013, 08:59 PM
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(26-12-2013 08:46 PM)Colourcraze Wrote:  There are resources about unfulfilled prophecies and the like.. I would say use those and anything to debunk the bible, since that seems to be his main argument.

Didn't Jesus prophecy that the apostles were the last generation ?

“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

seems to me all those standing their on that day tasted death without seeing any kingdom of God.

Once you start to fudge the prophecy with allegory & metaphor it will become redundant or unintelligible as a prophecy.

Case closed ?
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26-12-2013, 09:15 PM
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Quote:Scripture makes it clear that God"s eternal power and divine nature are clearly seen within the creation of the planet around us.

Ever seen harlequins Ichtheosis or Anecephalic babies ????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwPpV8Vc5hY

This is Gods "Eternal power and Divine nature seen in creation" ????Evil_monster

BE CAREFUL - DO NOT LET THE OPPONENT DODGE THE ISSUE - you cannot start blaming Adam & Eve for their sins causing harlequins Ichtheosis or Anecephalic babies. This is simply nonsense on the grandest scale to blame genetic or various congenital defects due to Adams Sin !!! (we know in any case why many of these deformations are biologically caused without the need to invoke Adams sin as an ad hoc remedy)

So God makes many seriously botched up mistakes, like a bad engineer facing law suits for damaged products, negligence & malpractice.

The alternative is that biological processes are involved in an evolutionary manner which are far from perfect and make some horrific mistakes - but its not personal & not guided by a super designer in charge of all things.
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26-12-2013, 09:21 PM
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Every 45 seconds a child dies of Malaria.....

must be:
"God"s eternal power and divine nature are clearly seen within the creation of the planet around us."

Perhaps 2 - 3 children have died by the time I finished this post somewhere from Malaria - now do you see what an amazing designer God is ? He cares more for the plasmodium parasites he designed and the Mosquito's than those little children who are hosts for this wonderful ecosystem.
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