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26-12-2014, 05:27 PM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 05:24 PM)Dom Wrote:  I have to choose an authority? Unsure

Precisely, and hence why I said, "Challenge it with what?"

Now let's see his true colors ..

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26-12-2014, 05:35 PM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 05:10 PM)Free Wrote:  Challenge it with what?

Please explain what you find confusing about using to explore the limits of reason. Thank you very much.
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26-12-2014, 05:38 PM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  I'm certainly not an atheist myself even though I don't belong to a religion or specific faith as they are generally a little bit silly (pork is forbidden, no foreskins, bread/wine literally turns into the flesh/blood of a god-man in your mouth, magic underwear, homosexuality is an abomination to God etc), contradictory, divisive and apparently what you believe is based on where you were born so they're ultimately very likely going to be man made cultural products of a human collective imagination. It can be an impressive work of imagination though and I see no reason why some of these ideas and concepts may not be true in reality so our universe may have designed by a greater intelligence (or intelligences) of some kind for the purpose of creating life/humanity and/or perhaps there is some kind of continued concious existence after the death of body as there is nothing I know personally (and I'm fairly confident that no-one else alive knows Neil Degrasse Tyson included) that would prevent any of this from being true in actual reality, if it is true you don't get top argue that it isn't in your opinion it would just be true. Even if you want to bring up certain known scientific facts such as the Big Bang or evolution those could just be part of the intentional design or purpose of the universe if it was intentionally created this way for all we actually know so there isn't really point taking a "side" on this question unless you want a personal faith or belief which is fine if you're into that sort of thing. I'm also happy with children being brought up within religious traditions as well, if a Jew, Christian' Hindu or Muslim parent wants to bring their children up believing what they believe is true then all the best to them, no-one is harmed and it doesn't ruin mine or Richard Dawkin's day particularly. It may even be generally be a good thing for some or even most people in a society to have a well defined spiritual faith even if it's not necessarily for me, it seems like all civilizations throughout history were united under some kind of religion so it may be a fundamental human need (for most if not all humans we're the exceptions not the rule). If I had a child with a partner who was particularly religious and they wanted to bring them up in a faith they could do that even though they would inevitably have some exposure to my general lack of religiousness and I would explain to them what my opinion, it's the opinion of having an open mind.

While I'm not religious and I wouldn't join a faith myself I'm fine with people believing in religions, God, angels, Atlantis, ghosts, faeries, alien abductions, the Lochness Monster, homoeopathy or whatever they enjoy believing in as long as they're not harming anyone or believing anything we know for a fact isn't true. You may bring up Santa and say we don't know for a fact that he doesn't exist but if he did exist as legend describes him as being then he would be much too obvious for anyone not to notice so you can take his apparent non-existence as factual in his particular case. If Jesus for instance was one third of a Trinity of God that isn't really something you would notice happening if real in the same way as a jolly fat fan dressed in red ridding a sleigh pulled by magical reindeer, you can see how the two things aren't quite comparable in the exact same way as they are two very different propositions with a different observable or lack of an observable outcome if true.

In my own opinion (which you may well disagree with that's fine with me) I see atheism as more a reaction against religion and religious people while maintaining a collective in group mentality, you can post on forums like this for instance, read atheist books, join an atheist convention or "church and feel like you belong to something greater than yourself with "people like yourself" which is perhaps part of the human religious drive. There even seems to be some kind of schism within atheism with this atheism plus business in much the same way a religious movement would form splinter groups and off-shots with adherents to different of a creed so again that's very much comparable to what would happen within a religion.

Instead of being an atheist why not open your mind to the limitless possibilities of what could be possible? I'm not saying the specific doctrines of a Mormon, Sikh, Muslim, Wiccan or whatever are going to be very likely individually as religions but they can still be respected and not called wrong or deluded, brain washed as children or whatever else (though people can be corrected if they're wrong about known certain facts of course). Also when it comes to the deeper and more ultimate questions of our existence why argue against something that you don't personally know is true or untrue as though you know what is true when you don't? Confused You see what I'm saying here? Anyway feel free to facepalm Facepalm and correct any flaws you see in my reasoning or understanding of what atheism actually is this is just my ten pence/overall philosophy concerning the big questions.

I'm down. My personal belief is Uranusians which reside inside the hollow planet uranus, are uber powerful purple midgets who fart fairy dust into the Golden Sky Cauldron, and this is where creative energy is made...this is invisibly bottled and shot towards earth to keep up with our breeding like rabbits...got to have fairy dust to build a soul upon yet another human birth Smile

The real problem is they are running out of magic beans, and soon will not have the magical flatulence required to keep up with our over population of earth...then we will be born....WITHOUT SOULS....the beginning of the end..walking zombies, emotionless, thoughtless, careless...oh the insanity. Since you posit it is okay to make shit up, and believe, and others should simply respect your delusional belief and act like nothing weird is going on...

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26-12-2014, 05:45 PM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 05:35 PM)Baba Bozo Wrote:  
(26-12-2014 05:10 PM)Free Wrote:  Challenge it with what?

Please explain what you find confusing about using to explore the limits of reason. Thank you very much.

Not confused at all. You specifically quoted me, and said the following:


(26-12-2014 05:04 PM)Baba Bozo Wrote:  
(26-12-2014 04:33 PM)Free Wrote:  Atheism teaches us to be intellectually honest and intellectually responsible.

Then stop endlessly dodging and weaving, and actually be intellectually honest, and challenge your own chosen authority with the very same rigor and vigor you reasonably apply to challenging the chosen authorities of theists.

What is my chosen authority, and what do I challenge it with?

Simple enough?

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26-12-2014, 05:46 PM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
Do you even realize that you are arguing FOR gullibility ?

That has got to be one of the most stupidest things I could imagine.

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26-12-2014, 05:50 PM (This post was last modified: 26-12-2014 06:02 PM by Grasshopper.)
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 05:45 PM)Free Wrote:  
(26-12-2014 05:35 PM)Baba Bozo Wrote:  Please explain what you find confusing about using to explore the limits of reason. Thank you very much.

Not confused at all. You specifically quoted me, and said the following:


(26-12-2014 05:04 PM)Baba Bozo Wrote:  Then stop endlessly dodging and weaving, and actually be intellectually honest, and challenge your own chosen authority with the very same rigor and vigor you reasonably apply to challenging the chosen authorities of theists.

What is my chosen authority, and what do I challenge it with?

Simple enough?

Free, Free, Free... I am so disappoint. Haven't you been paying attention? Your chosen authority is reason, and you're supposed to challenge it with reason. Never mind that that doesn't make any sense -- he's only said it about 100 times.
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26-12-2014, 05:55 PM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
Quote:Instead of being an atheist why not open your mind to the limitless possibilities of what could be possible?

Because there is no evidence for any of the gods invented by the fertile minds of men throughout history.

When you find some, let me know. I'll look it over.

Until then I don't have time for your prattle.

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26-12-2014, 05:58 PM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 05:50 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(26-12-2014 05:45 PM)Free Wrote:  Not confused at all. You specifically quoted me, and said the following:



What is my chosen authority, and what do I challenge it with?

Simple enough?

Free, Free, Free... I am so disappoint. Haven't you been paying attention? Your chosen authority is reason, and you're supposed to challenge it with reason. Never mind that that doesn't make any sense -- he's said it about 100 times.

Yeah I know, he doesn't see the "circular reasoning" of using reason to challenge reason.

It's not unlike using the bible to confirm the bible.

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26-12-2014, 06:00 PM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 05:45 PM)Free Wrote:  ....bunch of evasive dodge and weave filler blah, blah, blah....

Please explain what you find confusing about using to explore the limits of reason. Thank you very much.
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26-12-2014, 06:04 PM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 05:58 PM)Free Wrote:  Yeah I know, he doesn't see the "circular reasoning" of using reason to challenge reason.

And your alternative to using reason to explore the limits of reason is what exactly?

Blind faith in the infinite power of human reason to answer any and all questions?

There's nothing the least bit circular or unusual about using our abilities to question the limits of our abilities. People do it all the time.

Only on forums like this is it a mysterious concept that has to be explained again and again and again...
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