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26-12-2014, 10:42 PM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 10:39 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Why disbelieve any claims at all ?

You're advocating that someone should believe everything they read and hear, even if two things contradict each other. Believe them both is what you're saying.

In other words, believe everything is true.
Believe that opening your door will kill you.
Believe that drinking water is bad.
Believe that you are the stupidest person on the planet and also the smartest.

You're an idiot.
Believe it





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26-12-2014, 11:46 PM (This post was last modified: 26-12-2014 11:54 PM by Peebothuhul.)
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
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(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  .... Why not open your mind to the limitless possibilities of what could be possible?


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(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  ...... Also when it comes to the deeper and more ultimate questions of our existence why argue against something that you don't personally know is true or untrue as though you know what is true when you don't?

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27-12-2014, 01:30 AM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
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Give me evidence to consider, and I will consider it. But you better damn well know what is and is-not good evidence. I don't have time to waste on your personal, subjective, anecdotal bullshit. Drinking Beverage

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27-12-2014, 02:33 AM (This post was last modified: 27-12-2014 04:22 AM by Ace.)
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(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  I'm certainly not an atheist myself even though I don't belong to a religion or specific faith as they are generally a little bit silly (pork is forbidden, no foreskins, bread/wine literally turns into the flesh/blood of a god-man in your mouth, magic underwear, homosexuality is an abomination to God etc), contradictory, divisive and apparently what you believe is based on where you were born so they're ultimately very likely going to be man made cultural products of a human collective imagination. It can be an impressive work of imagination though and I see no reason why some of these ideas and concepts may not be true in reality so our universe may have designed by a greater intelligence (or intelligences) of some kind for the purpose of creating life/humanity and/or perhaps there is some kind of continued concious existence after the death of body as there is nothing I know personally (and I'm fairly confident that no-one else alive knows Neil Degrasse Tyson included) that would prevent any of this from being true in actual reality, if it is true you don't get top argue that it isn't in your opinion it would just be true. Even if you want to bring up certain known scientific facts such as the Big Bang or evolution those could just be part of the intentional design or purpose of the universe if it was intentionally created this way for all we actually know so there isn't really point taking a "side" on this question unless you want a personal faith or belief which is fine if you're into that sort of thing. I'm also happy with children being brought up within religious traditions as well, if a Jew, Christian' Hindu or Muslim parent wants to bring their children up believing what they believe is true then all the best to them, no-one is harmed and it doesn't ruin mine or Richard Dawkin's day particularly. It may even be generally be a good thing for some or even most people in a society to have a well defined spiritual faith even if it's not necessarily for me, it seems like all civilizations throughout history were united under some kind of religion so it may be a fundamental human need (for most if not all humans we're the exceptions not the rule). If I had a child with a partner who was particularly religious and they wanted to bring them up in a faith they could do that even though they would inevitably have some exposure to my general lack of religiousness and I would explain to them what my opinion, it's the opinion of having an open mind.

While I'm not religious and I wouldn't join a faith myself I'm fine with people believing in religions, God, angels, Atlantis, ghosts, faeries, alien abductions, the Lochness Monster, homoeopathy or whatever they enjoy believing in as long as they're not harming anyone or believing anything we know for a fact isn't true. You may bring up Santa and say we don't know for a fact that he doesn't exist but if he did exist as legend describes him as being then he would be much too obvious for anyone not to notice so you can take his apparent non-existence as factual in his particular case. If Jesus for instance was one third of a Trinity of God that isn't really something you would notice happening if real in the same way as a jolly fat fan dressed in red ridding a sleigh pulled by magical reindeer, you can see how the two things aren't quite comparable in the exact same way as they are two very different propositions with a different observable or lack of an observable outcome if true.

In my own opinion (which you may well disagree with that's fine with me) I see atheism as more a reaction against religion and religious people while maintaining a collective in group mentality, you can post on forums like this for instance, read atheist books, join an atheist convention or "church and feel like you belong to something greater than yourself with "people like yourself" which is perhaps part of the human religious drive. There even seems to be some kind of schism within atheism with this atheism plus business in much the same way a religious movement would form splinter groups and off-shots with adherents to different of a creed so again that's very much comparable to what would happen within a religion.

Instead of being an atheist why not open your mind to the limitless possibilities of what could be possible? I'm not saying the specific doctrines of a Mormon, Sikh, Muslim, Wiccan or whatever are going to be very likely individually as religions but they can still be respected and not called wrong or deluded, brain washed as children or whatever else (though people can be corrected if they're wrong about known certain facts of course). Also when it comes to the deeper and more ultimate questions of our existence why argue against something that you don't personally know is true or untrue as though you know what is true when you don't? Confused You see what I'm saying here? Anyway feel free to facepalm Facepalm and correct any flaws you see in my reasoning or understanding of what atheism actually is this is just my ten pence/overall philosophy concerning the big questions.


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27-12-2014, 02:45 AM (This post was last modified: 27-12-2014 03:05 AM by Reltzik.)
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
Okay, I've already addressed what's generally wrong with the OP, but as promised I'm going to go through and pick it apart point by point. I'll abbreviate some of my responses as AoB, meaning Absence of Belief. When I do this, it's shorthand for my earlier reply, indicating that the OP was assuming a much stronger position than many atheists take.

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  I'm certainly not an atheist myself even though I don't belong to a religion or specific faith as they are generally a little bit silly (pork is forbidden, no foreskins, bread/wine literally turns into the flesh/blood of a god-man in your mouth, magic underwear, homosexuality is an abomination to God etc), contradictory, divisive and apparently what you believe is based on where you were born so they're ultimately very likely going to be man made cultural products of a human collective imagination.

Gee, you sure sound like you see why we think this stuff's bunk. Sounds like we should get along.

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  It can be an impressive work of imagination though and I see no reason why some of these ideas and concepts may not be true in reality so our universe may have designed by a greater intelligence (or intelligences) of some kind for the purpose of creating life/humanity and/or perhaps there is some kind of continued concious existence after the death of body as there is nothing I know personally (and I'm fairly confident that no-one else alive knows Neil Degrasse Tyson included) that would prevent any of this from being true in actual reality, if it is true you don't get top argue that it isn't in your opinion it would just be true.

AoB. Also, would believers get to argue that it IS true if in reality it isn't?

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  Even if you want to bring up certain known scientific facts such as the Big Bang or evolution those could just be part of the intentional design or purpose of the universe if it was intentionally created this way for all we actually know so there isn't really point taking a "side" on this question unless you want a personal faith or belief which is fine if you're into that sort of thing.

Okay, sounds good. I can accept this as grounds for a truce. If theists won't go on a warpath saying that evolution is anti-god, then I won't either. ... in fact, I won't do that even if they do. Though if they start insisting that the ONLY possible explanation for blah is their god, when they are quite clearly ignoring the possibility of and evidence for evolution, then I might get mouthy.

Oh, wait. They're doing that already. And I'm getting mouthy already. And people call me out for that. Hrrrrm.

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  I'm also happy with children being brought up within religious traditions as well, if a Jew, Christian' Hindu or Muslim parent wants to bring their children up believing what they believe is true then all the best to them, no-one is harmed and it doesn't ruin mine or Richard Dawkin's day particularly.

Depends how they bring them up. If they're training them so that they're strapping on suicide vests and walking into our convention centers at age 9, I might take issue with it.

Actually, no. Scratch that. That's blatant stereotyping and doesn't really apply all that much.

The truth is that there's a huge tug of war in Western culture about who gets to raise a child in what way. The default is mostly, "parents get to decide, EXCEPT for these exceptions where they don't". Some of those exceptions include:

Parents can't harm the child.
The child has to receive a proper education.
The child must receive adequate medical care as needed.
The child must not be sexually exploited.

In all of these items and more, religion enters the tug of war. Some examples of how it does this include:

Scriptural requirements about sparing rods and spoiling children leading to harmful corporal punishment.
Exorcism rituals growing physically violent and threatening the child's life.
Religious objections to science, social movements, etc, resulting in a deliberately skewed and thoroughly neutered education.
Faith healing being substituted for real medicine.
Marrying off your 12-year-old daughter to your 45-year-old priest as his 8th wife.

No, I'm not making any of these things up.

You might reply that you specified that these are situations where someone is being harmed (and I wouldn't disagree) and thus what you specifically said you weren't talking about. The problem is interpretation. The exorcist thinks he's helping the child. The faith healer thinks he's helping the child. Most of the people doing the above things don't think they're harming the child. A much clearer delineation needs to be drawn than just a vague standard of harm.

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  It may even be generally be a good thing for some or even most people in a society to have a well defined spiritual faith even if it's not necessarily for me, it seems like all civilizations throughout history were united under some kind of religion so it may be a fundamental human need (for most if not all humans we're the exceptions not the rule).

Most civilizations throughout history practiced slavery. Is that a fundamental human need? Most civilizations throughout history have been united under some form of aristocracy or monarchy. Is that a fundamental human need?

Rather than merely speculating, it's informative to go into the history of HOW and WHY religion came to be important in civilization, and then how it came to be less important. It is also informative to compare those nations with a higher degree of religiosity to those with lesser degrees of religiosity, and see where people's needs are being met. (Hint: You'll want to compare apples to apples and liberal democracies to liberal democracies. So, rather than comparing the highly religious liberal democracy of the United States to the highly atheistic totalitarian communist state of the USSR, you'll want to compare it to the highly atheistic liberal democracy of Norway.)

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  If I had a child with a partner who was particularly religious and they wanted to bring them up in a faith they could do that even though they would inevitably have some exposure to my general lack of religiousness and I would explain to them what my opinion, it's the opinion of having an open mind.

So long as my earlier-mentioned exceptions are being honored -- and I have no reason to believe you or, for that matter, most religious people would cross that line -- then I have no problem with that. If I ever have kids, I'd like them to have a broad exposure to many world religions.

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  While I'm not religious and I wouldn't join a faith myself I'm fine with people believing in religions, God, angels, Atlantis, ghosts, faeries, alien abductions, the Lochness Monster, homoeopathy or whatever they enjoy believing in as long as they're not harming anyone or believing anything we know for a fact isn't true.

Let's pick on fairies here. Are you okay with faeries being taught in schools as fact on your tax dollar? With public lands being selectively and preferentially devoted to displaying faeries in the spirit of religious faith (rather than whimsical fancy)? With people in uniform being forcibly preached the existence of faeries, with little practical ability to absent themselves from that preaching, whatever their theoretical rights? With, say, high school sports teams requiring all members to engage in prayers to faeries, and kicking anyone who objects off the team? To teachers tolerating, and even encouraging and leading, stigmatization and harassment of children who do not believe in faeries? With government rendering certain classes of people (for irony's sake, let's say the gay community) into second class citizens because the people who run the government believe in faeries?

If you won't tolerate any of these things, then you're drawing the line about where I'd draw it, and about where a lot of the dominant religious in my country would not.

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  You may bring up Santa and say we don't know for a fact that he doesn't exist but if he did exist as legend describes him as being then he would be much too obvious for anyone not to notice so you can take his apparent non-existence as factual in his particular case. If Jesus for instance was one third of a Trinity of God that isn't really something you would notice happening if real in the same way as a jolly fat fan dressed in red ridding a sleigh pulled by magical reindeer, you can see how the two things aren't quite comparable in the exact same way as they are two very different propositions with a different observable or lack of an observable outcome if true.

True enough, which is why I don't use this sort of argument in an attempt to equate a lack of evidence for an evidence of lack. (Though there is that whole praying mountains into the sea thing.) The Santa metaphor is typically deployed for other reasons, such as comparing the lack of evidence for both beliefs, and illustrating to someone the experience of not believing something. (eg, I'm about as afraid of being sent to hell as I am of Santa bringing me coal. I don't believe either exist, so I'm not afraid of either.)

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  In my own opinion (which you may well disagree with that's fine with me) I see atheism as more a reaction against religion and religious people

AGREED!

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  while maintaining a collective in group mentality, you can post on forums like this for instance, read atheist books, join an atheist convention or "church and feel like you belong to something greater than yourself with "people like yourself" which is perhaps part of the human religious drive.

Disagreed. Typically communities like this are not a "draw" to atheism. People do not become or remain atheists for the joys of reading Hitchens or posting on TTA. Rather, atheists form communities in part because HUMANS form communities, and in part because it's one of the more effective ways for people who are the targets of oppression to stand up against their oppressors.

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  There even seems to be some kind of schism within atheism with this atheism plus business in much the same way a religious movement would form splinter groups and off-shots with adherents to different of a creed so again that's very much comparable to what would happen within a religion.

I can see how a superficial look at the issue would lead one to think that. "Schism" implies doctrinal differences, whereas the atheism-plus division is more about issue-identity. A better "doctrinal" "schism" -- quotes because those terms aren't really applicable in anything but the loosest figurative sense -- would be around the questions of strong versus weak atheism, or strict empirical skeptic atheists versus the broader woo-believing atheists.

But, as I just said, those terms don't really apply. Atheism doesn't HAVE a doctrine. The only standard for being an atheist is not believing in a god, and that is more categorical than doctrinal. It's also not an organized, coherent body, and it never has been, so splits in it can't really be described as schisms. It's not the same thing as a family, church, or nation splitting apart.

It's more akin to, say, the traffic of two lanes of a highway peeling off and taking an off-ramp onto another highway. There's no organizational rift and no formal rules being broken. Just two sets of vehicles that could at one time be described as being headed in the same direction, and which now can't be.

So while you MIGHT describe this as analogous to churchy schisms and doctrinal debates, the analogy would be very weak and I wouldn't suggest following it too far.

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  Instead of being an atheist why not open your mind to the limitless possibilities of what could be possible?

Two answers.

1) AoB. Having an open mind is not mutually exclusive with being an atheist. Atheism is a present position (or, rather, not holding a certain position at present). It says nothing about one's willingness to modify that position in light of good evidence, or even proactively exploring other possibilities. Many of us have that willingness and do explore, and if I weren't crediting you with a certain innocent ignorance about what atheism is and isn't, I'd be insulted by your implication to the contrary.

2) BECAUSE they're limitless. My brain can't hold limitless possibilities. I don't have enough neurons for that. My capacity, and time, for considering possibilities is limited, even if the possibilities aren't. It's a choice of having many things I could consider, but only being able to choose a few for consideration. My response is to adopt a strategy of skimming possibilities and making initial, superficial assessments of which are more or less plausible, and then coming back and giving the most plausible (and most popular) closer in-depth examination. This allows me to focus my attention on those possibilities I deem most likely to be fruitful (the most plausible) and those possibilities most likely to have others' belief in them impact me indirectly (most popular). If you have some argument as to why I should instead be focusing on the possibilities that strike me as implausible and and not widely held, please present it.

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  I'm not saying the specific doctrines of a Mormon, Sikh, Muslim, Wiccan or whatever are going to be very likely individually as religions but they can still be respected and not called wrong or deluded, brain washed as children or whatever else (though people can be corrected if they're wrong about known certain facts of course).

Good. I actually intend to give a good look into Mormonism and Islam at some point, but that's because of their ability to indirectly impact me, rather than my crediting them as plausible.

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  Also when it comes to the deeper and more ultimate questions of our existence why argue against something that you don't personally know is true or untrue as though you know what is true when you don't?

Before you read the rest of my answer to this question, tell me: Are you going to the vocal believers and asking THEM why they are arguing for something that they don't personally know is true or untrue as though they know what is true when they don't? If so, what kind of response are you getting from them? If not, why the double standard?

The short answer to your question is AoB. Not all atheists do what your loaded question implies. Quite a many, perhaps even most, do not.

Personally, I do argue against it. That's part of how I test an idea's strength. I critique it. I drag it through the intellectual proving grounds. If it can stand up to the fire of criticism... not simply be propped up by unreasoning faith in it, but actually repel the counterarguments... then it earns my respect and leaves me to regard it as plausible. Otherwise, it does not. If a close look at something makes it fall apart, then it was already broken. It also provokes responses which, if I'm in error, can help me identify that error. The greatest insult I can give to an idea is to NOT try to pick holes in it -- it shows I have no respect for its potential to withstand scrutiny, and no interest in determining whether it is true. I apply the same type of scrutiny to scientific findings, life decisions, and politicians. Being told not to ask critical questions and focus on why these beliefs don't make sense is a bit like hearing a used car salesman telling me not to look under the hood. It makes me more likely to do it, not less.

EDIT: Also, I'm of the strong opinion that certain belief systems are harmful to society and the people within it. I argue against those for that reason.
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27-12-2014, 03:13 AM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 06:25 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(26-12-2014 06:21 PM)Baba Bozo Wrote:  Ok, I tried. Genetically incapable of grasping simplest points. Ignore list.

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27-12-2014, 04:46 AM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
I'm still waiting on that argument of why I should believe bullshit when I hear it.

Also, where is my $100 that you should be sending me ? I thought you were a gullible idiot who believed everything someone told him without question.

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27-12-2014, 06:54 AM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
The best argument against atheism is that being an atheist requires you to use your brain every now and then, and that can be tiring.

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27-12-2014, 07:11 AM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(26-12-2014 11:46 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  Heart

(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  .... Why not open your mind to the limitless possibilities of what could be possible?


̴̪̤̈̒̾̆"̖̳̉͐̔̂E̘̟̖̞̯̦̔̑̅ͯ̊̌̑w̖̐̈̋͘ǵ̬̫̳̞̼l̬̬̿̅u̞̟̤̖̺̫̱̅ ̦̫̤̝͕̗͈ͨ͋̋ͦ̒͠p̿̔ͣ̎̑͏̯͚̲͖͙͎̫h̩̝̞̬͆̂̒̇ͮͦ͛l̟̻͓̹͙͕̹̒͗̿͞n̖͚̫̋ͦ̀ͯ͊͘'̰͎̪̬͖͓̭̑̎ͯṡ̩̎͜l̒͐​̬̤̖̥̙̒ͥͩg͕̫̲̟ͮ̒͒ͩh̩̙̫̯̯̯̺̓̾͑͑̈̓n̟͒̐͆ ̧̺͈̲͓͚͖ͧ̈̾ͧ̾̒́h̲̪͍̣͈̼ͯ̐̓̃̎ͫn̨͖̰̳͎͋̄g̛̫͈͇̓̌ḽ̟̻̙̫̒ͬͣ̾ͩ'́̂̓w̛̻͚̞͖̏̃ͮ͆͒i̶̥͓͙̖̫̲͐ͭ.͑​͂̀ ͈̼̬͆̊̓K̟͙̟͎͐̊̓͗͊ͨr͉͉ͦͭͫh̙͎̃ͮ̕a̸͇̦̅͒̌̈ͬ̉̈́'̱̬̠̙̤̻ͮ͜g̓ͤͧ̍̅̄͏̪̫͇̱̠̲͈rͬͮ̆҉̞ ͓̤̩͙̋̉ͅb̲̲͖̋ͬ̑ṛ̃̊͛̽̋̃'̧̣͑̈́͛̏c͔ͪ̈͐ͣ̓ͣ̐̕l̯̔̂͜n̸͓ŭ̇͗̔͗͌̚ỉ̝ͤ͂̿̆ͭļͮ̌ͨh̽͟a̩͕͗̽ ̬̞̮ͥͣ̔̾ͤͯͧͅw͎̙̯͌̋g̴̰̭̣̙̓ͫ̓̓ͥa̸̯ͦͨͤͨh̷̥̞̹͉̜ͦͪ̽ͦ̏̿͆ͅ'̯ͭ̓̽ͫ̈ͅr̹͍͍̐̊̅̈̈́l̼̺̟̙͒ͮ͒ͦ̍ͮ͆͡​y̸̜̽̌ͤ̋̿ͮͩ'̴̯̯̮͚͔͂̔̑̑̑ṳ̸̱̫̼̫̩̿ͤ͐̌͗͐͑e͚͚̞h͔̯̠̳͙͚̓ ̳̙̖̗̭͓̬̆̚v̧͔̻̻͛ͪͭ͊̂̂ͅ'̥̖̗̙̟̰̄̕g̠͚̘͕̗̲̳͒̽ͨ͒ļ̭͍̱̔ͧ͌͗̀̊̄ư͚ͅa̦̯͇̥̕ ̻̔͗̐͌͊̽͢n̶͚͍ͩ͐̑̐̚'͕̦̯̥̯gͯl̟̔̂ͣ.̣ͯ̉ͧ̿"̩̩́ͩ͆̔͛ͦͧ


(26-12-2014 03:09 PM)Cthulhu Wrote:  ...... Also when it comes to the deeper and more ultimate questions of our existence why argue against something that you don't personally know is true or untrue as though you know what is true when you don't?

̱̞̠̝̉̾͛"̣̪̥̲͔͈̗U̮̙̝͓͛̓ͯn̞̹̞̗g̺̮̙̱̯̤͊ͥl̆ͯͬ̋̇̓͏͔̭̺̗n͇̣ͫ̏͘u͚̐ͮ͋̈'̹̝͇̞̘͓͐ͯͬ̂̊͑n̔ͦ͒ͣp̵̒̋̓̚ȟͣ​̸̺̥̄ ̮͙k̰̣͎'̷͓͖̬̦͈ľ̿̉҉̦̤̗̘̱ͅy̧̘̣͕ͬė̛̹̦͎ͫh͍͍͔̙͎̱͗ͬͦͨ ̦̞͔ͬ̓̑̇̂r͓̥͑̈́ͮ́͞'̻̠̟͒̉̓͂̚͞w̧̦̟̫̼͉̰͇ͫ̃ͪͪͪn̠̲̖̼̼ǧ̤͍̰ͨ͢l̴͎̮̩̭̼̬̥ͭ͛̄̀ṵ͚̘̥͔̱̇́̇̈̾ͤ̔​͔a̙͖͙͉̖̥̒͆͛ͥ ̃ͧ͋̅̀ḥ̡̮̜̬͆n̪̈̏̓͑̾̒g̟͔̹̅͐ͣi͈̱̗͚͙̲̳ͨ̒̑̑ͣl͖̺̹ͪ͑̍͊͠ú̋̏'̘͙̜̽̉p̏̓̎҉͉̩h̴̲͎̜͉̪̍͂ͫͩͩͩ̚​̮t̞̆̆͛ͨhͤ̅ͭ͋ͮ̓͏̗̹̰̹͍̹'͆ͩ̑͌̿̚͜n̲͡,̛͉̟̼̖̺͉̰̐̏̈ͭͦͨ ̰̫̙̪͕͗̉ͧ̓ͥḷ'̯̻ͦ̀͑ͥ̄̑y̼̲̬̝͊i̜?̃ͨ̎̑̍̂͟ ̯̙̳͕͓͑̈́͂̍̐̿̿R͕̭ĝ͙̫̀ͅ'͕̼̟͗h̗͔̫̳̫̺̊̽ͭl̮̥͌̊̈́͛i̩̙̼̥͙͉͉͒͌ͮ͞ȧ̭͍̹͙̘̣̜̏̈́ ͙̹͕̞̟̣̗̎ͤ͡k̛͇̻̗͎̩̒͒́̉'̩̦̭̽̀̆͒̓ͫ̈́͞g͍͕͔̥͔̟̮r͖̰̫͈̺͒͒͝.̣͚̳̬̍̇ͥ͆ͮ̽͂ ̶̻̘̟͇͎̒̂̾̂F̹̤̮ͦ̇̈́̎̿'͇̭̥̜̓̎̋̍̀͊n̫̩̼̤̣͈̤ͪ̆͌͌ã̼̻̻͎̲͉̠͡t͇̆ͥͤ̂h̩̟̙͆̇͑͛̿̇̚͞ ͔̍͜r̡̬͇̯͇̾ģ̘͉̗̺̭̱ͫ̇'̵̥̠̥̣ͤ̏̒͆̅ͮ͛ͅh̡̦͎̱̳̖ͩļ͉̣̜͔i͇͛a̖̰̭̪͕͇̜͘ ̸̋̒ͅg̭͙͚̲̞ͫͫ̓ͩͬṟ̥̝̬̘̥ͧ̃͌̆̀'͉̬͈̓̉̒̓̕r̜̜̹͕͖̠̊ͣ̎̕n̤ͪ͂ͫu̻̞̝̦̦͔͂̄ͦͦͣ̅̎aͩͅ.̙̻̼͆ͯ͒̎ͯ"̪̮͔̦̅̄̐͆̽̋ͅ ̢̅̾ͥͯ̒̌

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27-12-2014, 08:12 AM
RE: Here is my argument against atheism if you're interested at all
(27-12-2014 07:11 AM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  WTF is that?! Blink Some sort of weird math equation?

"͏̻͖͕̟͖͙̹Pl̹̱̼̞̗͢g̪̤'̲ĺ͙͔̭͈̼̫̝u̳g͇͖̝̕n̴ ̞͕̹̲h҉̲͙̞wa̰̭̤͢h͇͙̲̥͓̙̪g̥h̩̮̤͓i̤̘̹̻͚̖̦͜ ̯ş̹͙̹hó̱͈̫̻̟͕ͅg̶̘̳͚̜̳g̬̫̣̫̬̲̞͞o͉̻̲͎̝͞ͅt̨̘͉̙̫h̛̫̲̦̝̟͈'͉̲̙͓̖͖h̦̙̠͕̩͠u̗̻̩ ̫̟̪g͇̙̙̮n̘̼͍̠͚͜u̲͚'i̢̜͉̣̣ṉģ̭̬̯͉̳͇l̞̪̳̠̻d̠y̼̪̦̭͚͙a̴̲͙̩̮ͅh͜ͅ,̙͖̪͉͍ ̩̥͕̞̀h̜̟̲f̼i̛͉͔r̩͕̗̜̘̤'̡̻̫͎̣̩l̸ṉ͉̮̗̦ͅ ͉͟p̨͈̩͙̘l̩̞͙̼̩̕ͅg̢͇̭̦͍'̘̦̩l̞͙̳̘̫̟̲u̲̱̲͔̣͚i̤͠n̫͉̯͉̣̣h p̼̹̰̤h̯̰͍͈̳'̲͙͟ͅt̗̠̦h̲̱̲̙a̪͉̜͎͕h͇̜̳͡nl̹̱͈͜.̖̟̠̟͚̀"̘̭͍


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