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20-06-2017, 06:28 PM
RE: Heritage/Patriotism/Culture
(20-06-2017 05:59 PM)whateverist Wrote:  
(19-06-2017 07:01 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Better the pride that resides
in a citizen of the world
than the pride that divides
when a colorful rag is unfurled.


Wit + Brevity = Excellent

Nobody, but nobody, can turn a phrase like Peart.
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21-06-2017, 03:55 AM
RE: Heritage/Patriotism/Culture
If your interested in my take on on it, the two brilliant gents square pretty well with my feelings as I pretty well think along the same lines.




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21-06-2017, 06:51 AM (This post was last modified: 21-06-2017 06:56 AM by Thumpalumpacus.)
RE: Heritage/Patriotism/Culture
(20-06-2017 06:28 PM)Heath_Tierney Wrote:  
(20-06-2017 05:59 PM)whateverist Wrote:  Wit + Brevity = Excellent

Nobody, but nobody, can turn a phrase like Peart.

A writer extraordinaire. Not only with his lyrics, which often approach the sublime (example below), but in prose as well. If you've never read Ghost Rider, read it. As heart-breaking as the story is, it is a deep, involving read and filled with little gems of language.

These lyrics, regarding the nature of love, simply blew my mind when I heard them; they are so goddamned insightful.

We are secrets to each other
Each one's life a novel
No one else has read
Even joined in bonds of love
We're linked to one another
By such slender threads

We are planets to each other
Drifting in our orbits
To a brief eclipse
Each of us a world apart
Alone and yet together
Like two passing ships

[Chorus:]
Just between us
I think it's time for us to recognize
The differences we sometimes fear to show
Just between us
I think it's time for us to realize
The spaces in between
Leave room for you and I to grow

We are strangers to each other
Full of sliding panels
An illusion show
Acting well rehearsed routines
Or playing from the heart?
It's hard for one to know

[Chorus]

We are islands to each other
Building hopeful bridges
On a troubled sea
Some are burned or swept away
Some we would not choose
But we're not always free

[Chorus]
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21-06-2017, 06:53 AM
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21-06-2017, 07:04 AM
RE: Heritage/Patriotism/Culture
(21-06-2017 06:51 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(20-06-2017 06:28 PM)Heath_Tierney Wrote:  Nobody, but nobody, can turn a phrase like Peart.

A writer extraordinaire. Not only with his lyrics, which often approach the sublime (example below), but in prose as well. If you've never read Ghost Rider, read it. As heart-breaking as the story is, it is a deep, involving read and filled with little gems of language.

I have all of Peart's books (though I lent Roadshow to a friend and never got it back).

And I actually used some of the lyrics to Entre Nous in a short missive to a one-time fling. Heart Heart Heart
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21-06-2017, 04:29 PM
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(20-06-2017 04:07 PM)abaris Wrote:  
(20-06-2017 03:25 PM)Gaest Wrote:  How do you define religion?
Because I assume you consider it to be something cultural created by people, but somehow it's completely external to them when it comes to people being social animals that feels empathy? I am genuinely confused about your position here.

Religion at it's base is a philosophy. Every philosophy can be turned into ideology. That's when things get ugly. When it starts to get exclusive.

Thanks Smile

Sorry to press you on it, but what do you mean by philosophy? It's not a completely unambiguous word (fx https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/philosophy).

On a more predictable note; where did Vera go? She was the one I originally asked...
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24-06-2017, 04:01 AM
RE: Heritage/Patriotism/Culture
As there were quite a few differing views on what these terms mean, I thought I'd take a stab at visualising what I said earlier and see if anyone agrees.

(10-06-2017 08:23 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Heritage - unavoidable unless you're an orphaned refugee.

Patriotism - a state of mind and a mind of state.

Culture - inescapable in that an individual is a component of it.

Heritage is the input, culture is the output and patriotism is an information filter.

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Heritage is via d)
- something that comes or belongs to one by reason of birth.
- something which is inherited from one's ancestors.

Tradition is via a) influencing an organisation and d) influencing an individual.
- tradition is the handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, information, etc., from generation to generation, especially by word of mouth or by practice.

Patriotism is an information filter / bias via b) when organisation = country and via d) as an acceptable (or not) thinking tool / cultural stimulant or inhibitor.
the quality of being patriotic; vigorous support for one's country.

Culture is simply the aggregate of individual's behaviours.

"High" culture is a coded representation of values.

Or something like that.

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