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19-06-2017, 07:01 PM
RE: Heritage/Patriotism/Culture
Better the pride that resides
in a citizen of the world
than the pride that divides
when a colorful rag is unfurled.
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19-06-2017, 07:05 PM
RE: Heritage/Patriotism/Culture
(19-06-2017 07:01 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Better the pride that resides
in a citizen of the world
than the pride that divides
when a colorful rag is unfurled.

Damn, you beat me to it!
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20-06-2017, 12:46 AM
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(19-06-2017 04:01 PM)Gaest Wrote:  
(19-06-2017 02:08 PM)tomilay Wrote:  To indulge in it beyond that is just as bad as, maybe worse than, religion.

I disagree that religion is categorically bad.

Substitute "patriotism" for "religion":
"I view patriotism like I do most other cultural phenomena that can mobilize people and inspire certain actions and behavior: It's there, it's part of human society and what matters most is whether it moves individuals and societies in good or bad directions (open to subjective interpretations)."

Never seen something good tied to religion - it's just primitive fairy tale that is supposed to scare adults into "good behavior" and money scam mixed into one. Fact that it is used by authoritarian half-wits to impose their taboos onto society also don't help - Poland opposition to abortion, in vitro, euthanasia and same sex marriages is firmly rooted in religious idiocy so I see religion as something worthy of scorn.
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20-06-2017, 04:34 AM
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(19-06-2017 05:28 PM)Vera Wrote:  Also, I think gaest is religious, that's what riled him up.

Oh, the stupefying irony of a "patriot" calling the refusal to define yourself (a.k.a. proudly beat your chest, belching the name of "your" country) by the geographical coincidence of one's birth a knee-jerk reaction Facepalm

I am.
But like most others I tend to comment when there is a subject that interests me and I think people are wrong - or I feel like I have something worthwhile to add. That is also the impulse that brought me into this thread (post #42) since I don't consider myself a nationalist or a patriot (and actually have a personal axe to grind with many people in my country that identify with those terms).

So, now that we are making assumptions about why people are riled up about stuff, are these parties the reason you are riled up about "patriotism"?
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20-06-2017, 04:58 AM
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(19-06-2017 04:46 PM)tomilay Wrote:  You are English, and you know the last world cup tournament was in 1966.

1966? There was a tournament? The only football world cup tournaments that are documented in history are 1954, 1974, 1990 and 2014. Drinking Beverage

Ceterum censeo, religionem delendam esse
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20-06-2017, 05:16 AM
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(20-06-2017 12:46 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(19-06-2017 04:01 PM)Gaest Wrote:  I disagree that religion is categorically bad.

Substitute "patriotism" for "religion":
"I view patriotism like I do most other cultural phenomena that can mobilize people and inspire certain actions and behavior: It's there, it's part of human society and what matters most is whether it moves individuals and societies in good or bad directions (open to subjective interpretations)."

Never seen something good tied to religion (...)

This seems pretty good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langar_(Sikhism)
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20-06-2017, 05:18 AM
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(19-06-2017 07:01 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Better the pride that resides
in a citizen of the world
than the pride that divides
when a colorful rag is unfurled.

I get Geddy just reading that.
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20-06-2017, 05:18 AM (This post was last modified: 20-06-2017 05:22 AM by abaris.)
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(20-06-2017 04:58 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(19-06-2017 04:46 PM)tomilay Wrote:  You are English, and you know the last world cup tournament was in 1966.

1966? There was a tournament? The only football world cup tournaments that are documented in history are 1954, 1974, 1990 and 2014. Drinking Beverage

I don't know where Alesia is! No one knows where Alesia is!

But I do know where Cordoba is.

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20-06-2017, 05:26 AM
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(20-06-2017 05:16 AM)Gaest Wrote:  
(20-06-2017 12:46 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Never seen something good tied to religion (...)

This seems pretty good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langar_(Sikhism)

There are no sikhs in Poland and free food in no way outweigh damage that religion is causing.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
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20-06-2017, 05:37 AM
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(20-06-2017 05:26 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(20-06-2017 05:16 AM)Gaest Wrote:  This seems pretty good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langar_(Sikhism)

There are no sikhs in Poland and free food in no way outweigh damage that religion is causing.

Unsupported claims aside: Now you have seen something good tied to religion?
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