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26-10-2016, 10:36 PM
Hi, newbie here
Hi, I'm delighted to have found this forum.

I live in the UK and am a 63-year-old man who squandered his first forty-five years as a Jehovah's Witness. I was a congregation elder and became appalled by their criminally negligent child protection policies and procedures. Though I knew this meant I couldn't remain a JW, I spent the next few years searching for reasons (well, excuses, really) why I could sweep my concerns under the carpet. But the more I researched, the worse it became and I had to leave.

However, they don't let you leave without penalty and they sneakily started rumours describing in lurid detail my many 'sins'. I since learned that's fairly standard practise.

I hadn't realised just how emotionally exhausting it would be to come to the realisation, after so many years, that virtually everything I'd believed was nonsense. So what did I believe now? I started with a clean slate and researched first the bible (wow, why hadn't the JW leaders honestly explained its many genuine contradictions, errors and inconsistences?) then whether I could still believe in god (to paraphrase the great Homer, what if Thor is the 'one true god' and He gets madder and madder every time we go to church or chapel?!!), and the result was - well, I'm here!

JWs are indoctrinated - and yes, they are a cult, and quite a nasty one at that - to believe they're the happiest, most loving people on earth. In reality, a few I knew were really delightful people, a few were truly awful and the majority were mostly okay. Not much different from everyone else, then.

However, I now believe there are only two types of JWs: the vast majority whom I call the 'deceived' and a tiny minority that I call the 'deceivers'. The latter are (not necessarily, but probably, all of) the religion's leaders plus a number of manipulative personalities who've learned to play the system. All the others are in the former group. Having been raised a JW I don't know much about any other religions but suspect they probably follow the same pattern.

I hadn't meant to rant on so long. Thanks for reading this far!
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26-10-2016, 10:44 PM
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Welcome to TTA.

Just shows it's never too late to see the light.

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26-10-2016, 11:08 PM
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Welcome Smile. Thanks for sharing your story. I'm glad you got free.
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26-10-2016, 11:58 PM
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Hello! Big Grin
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27-10-2016, 01:29 AM
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27-10-2016, 04:05 AM
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(26-10-2016 10:36 PM)Impendere Wrote:  Hi, I'm delighted to have found this forum.

I live in the UK and am a 63-year-old man who squandered his first forty-five years as a Jehovah's Witness. I was a congregation elder and became appalled by their criminally negligent child protection policies and procedures. Though I knew this meant I couldn't remain a JW, I spent the next few years searching for reasons (well, excuses, really) why I could sweep my concerns under the carpet. But the more I researched, the worse it became and I had to leave.

However, they don't let you leave without penalty and they sneakily started rumours describing in lurid detail my many 'sins'. I since learned that's fairly standard practise.

I hadn't realised just how emotionally exhausting it would be to come to the realisation, after so many years, that virtually everything I'd believed was nonsense. So what did I believe now? I started with a clean slate and researched first the bible (wow, why hadn't the JW leaders honestly explained its many genuine contradictions, errors and inconsistences?) then whether I could still believe in god (to paraphrase the great Homer, what if Thor is the 'one true god' and He gets madder and madder every time we go to church or chapel?!!), and the result was - well, I'm here!

JWs are indoctrinated - and yes, they are a cult, and quite a nasty one at that - to believe they're the happiest, most loving people on earth. In reality, a few I knew were really delightful people, a few were truly awful and the majority were mostly okay. Not much different from everyone else, then.

However, I now believe there are only two types of JWs: the vast majority whom I call the 'deceived' and a tiny minority that I call the 'deceivers'. The latter are (not necessarily, but probably, all of) the religion's leaders plus a number of manipulative personalities who've learned to play the system. All the others are in the former group. Having been raised a JW I don't know much about any other religions but suspect they probably follow the same pattern.

I hadn't meant to rant on so long. Thanks for reading this far!

Hi Impendere.
Also new here, still learning how to use this site and not sure if I'm doing it correctly. I am responding to you because your name was top of the newbie list and you are about the same age as me, but I was never in a cult of any kind. I do know people who were also raised as JWs and were able to get out of it.
I find your distinction between the deceived and the deceivers interesting. I think it's probably true of almost any belief-based organisation. I doubt that those at the very top of the food chain even in the major religions like Catholicism actually believe in many of the things they say that are fundamental to the religion itself. I'm sure they almost all came to realise at some point "Oh shit, this is all a lie. Oh well, maybe it's all for the best, it's given me a good living." I may be too cynical but I don't think so.
Anyway, just thought I'd put in my two cents worth.

cheers, Christophe.

“The wheel is come full circle: I am here.”
—Edmund in King Lear: William Shakespeare.
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27-10-2016, 07:36 AM
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(26-10-2016 10:36 PM)Impendere Wrote:  Hi, I'm delighted to have found this forum...I hadn't meant to rant on so long. Thanks for reading this far!

I love how you felt compelled to leave your religion because your are too good as a human being... its ironic.

Welcome friend, congratulations on overcoming 45 years of indoctrination, if that doesn't qualify you as a superhero then idk what does.

That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.”
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27-10-2016, 07:45 AM
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Welcome to you and Christophe. Have you been shunned by family may I ask ? I hear that's quite common.
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27-10-2016, 07:48 AM
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Welcome!
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27-10-2016, 08:37 AM
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(26-10-2016 10:36 PM)Impendere Wrote:  Hi, I'm delighted to have found this forum.

I live in the UK and am a 63-year-old man who squandered his first forty-five years as a Jehovah's Witness. I was a congregation elder and became appalled by their criminally negligent child protection policies and procedures. Though I knew this meant I couldn't remain a JW, I spent the next few years searching for reasons (well, excuses, really) why I could sweep my concerns under the carpet. But the more I researched, the worse it became and I had to leave.

However, they don't let you leave without penalty and they sneakily started rumours describing in lurid detail my many 'sins'. I since learned that's fairly standard practise.

I hadn't realised just how emotionally exhausting it would be to come to the realisation, after so many years, that virtually everything I'd believed was nonsense. So what did I believe now? I started with a clean slate and researched first the bible (wow, why hadn't the JW leaders honestly explained its many genuine contradictions, errors and inconsistences?) then whether I could still believe in god (to paraphrase the great Homer, what if Thor is the 'one true god' and He gets madder and madder every time we go to church or chapel?!!), and the result was - well, I'm here!

JWs are indoctrinated - and yes, they are a cult, and quite a nasty one at that - to believe they're the happiest, most loving people on earth. In reality, a few I knew were really delightful people, a few were truly awful and the majority were mostly okay. Not much different from everyone else, then.

However, I now believe there are only two types of JWs: the vast majority whom I call the 'deceived' and a tiny minority that I call the 'deceivers'. The latter are (not necessarily, but probably, all of) the religion's leaders plus a number of manipulative personalities who've learned to play the system. All the others are in the former group. Having been raised a JW I don't know much about any other religions but suspect they probably follow the same pattern.

I hadn't meant to rant on so long. Thanks for reading this far!

Hey welcome Imperede.

Better late then never. But for being a former JW, and being a Elder I feel that you have a great deal to contribute. You have a huge leg up on what many people may never be able to see. I love to hear you position on lots of the topics that will come up while you visit us at the forum.

And you never know we have a lot of invisible guests. that just step in to see what the conversation is about. And one of them may be a member of the JW that needs someone with your experience to plant that seed of reason.

Don't Live each day like it's your last. Live each day like you have 541 days after that one where every choice you make will have lasting implications to you and the world around you. ~ Tim Minchin
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