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03-03-2016, 11:54 AM
RE: Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York
More fuel for the bonfire of the vanities...

Why Trump could snatch the center from Hillary.

http://theweek.com/articles/609596/why-d...ry-clinton

Myself? I'd love to see this two party system utterly destroyed and renovated...

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03-03-2016, 01:35 PM
RE: Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York
(03-03-2016 11:54 AM)larry-new Wrote:  Myself? I'd love to see this two party system utterly destroyed and renovated...

Not going to happen without revamping the entire electoral system. A two party system is the statistical inevitability of a first-past-the-post voting system. Drinking Beverage

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03-03-2016, 01:49 PM
RE: Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York
Trump does target the tired, missinformed, xenophobes, idealist pseudo-intellectuals and the imbeciles. That's a awfull lot of people in any country and he is an incredible showman and entertainer. He is basically the king of used car salesmen and he wants to be president. On another note, he will not be that bad either. The system is still well designed. Even an hyperactive moron could not cause that much damage to country with several level of power, some of which aren't even electable (lobby groups, Judges, corporate leaders, etc.).

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03-03-2016, 01:57 PM
RE: Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York
(03-03-2016 01:49 PM)epronovost Wrote:  Trump does target the tired, missinformed, xenophobes, idealist pseudo-intellectuals and the imbeciles. That's a awfull lot of people in any country and he is an incredible showman and entertainer. He is basically the king of used car salesmen and he wants to be president. On another note, he will not be that bad either. The system is still well designed. Even an hyperactive moron could not cause that much damage to country with several level of power, some of which aren't even electable (lobby groups, Judges, corporate leaders, etc.).

Yeah, I think I'm actually more concerned that Cruz or Rubio would get in, especially if congressional control remains with the republicans. They would be able to work with congress on a lot of issues that would then require years of lawsuits to undo and would appoint far right justices that would get confirmed. Progress could be set back by decades. I think Trump would have a difficult time working with congress and would just get pissed off and pissy about it and possibly end up getting impeached when he acts like a spoiled brat. Trump would be a huge embarrassment but I expect he'd be largely ineffective.

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03-03-2016, 02:20 PM
RE: Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York
What is most important for Dems/liberals is to gain control of the House or Senate because then Trump wouldn't be able to do shit. But if the GOP still control the House and Senate and the Trump gets in, I'm moving to Denmark.

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03-03-2016, 04:25 PM
RE: Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York
(03-03-2016 08:07 AM)epronovost Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 04:35 AM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  Vosur, don't let anyone ever sell you their social approval at the cost of your desire to express that which you genuinely believe. Those who would ask "what happened to you?" are just using a shame tactic; they want you to come toe the party line with them once again; to come back to the groupthink. The green numbers never were an alluring bribe for me, personally. Question everything, but know that the path of skepticism is a lonely one.

If you want atheists without the extreme-leftist bias; I'd recommend AF.org. It's still there, yeah, because most atheists, also being human, are going to hold biases. But I distinctly remember their user-base being more diverse in world-view, and less prone to bullying for the cause. Then again they did ban me.

Also tumblr can be nice for debating politics, especially as it pertains to PC culture/SJW's/Feminism.

Dude don't do that. Social media are the worst place to have debates, let alone debate on serious, complicated, philosophicaly heavy and sensitive issues like sexism, racism and classism. Social media platform have no rules to limit intervention, referee the debates and is vastly populated by people with very little knowledge or training to debate efficently and rationnaly about those subject. They allow only to express one's opinion, not exchange ideas in the hope to learn or convince. That's the job for encyclopedia, good quality blog and well moderated specialised forums. A debate on social media is more likely to be a shout match between to barely competant debater in a disorganised setting with a vox populi going on at the same time. Stick to discussions about hobbies and funny cats on social media, carry your desire to debate on important issues where they belong, stay polite and respectful and you will make the internet world a much better place.

Discussion boards are social media.

And everything you just described can happen - say - here, so long as it's not the colosseum.

So you have no point here.
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03-03-2016, 04:57 PM
RE: Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York
(03-03-2016 04:25 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 08:07 AM)epronovost Wrote:  Dude don't do that. Social media are the worst place to have debates, let alone debate on serious, complicated, philosophicaly heavy and sensitive issues like sexism, racism and classism. Social media platform have no rules to limit intervention, referee the debates and is vastly populated by people with very little knowledge or training to debate efficently and rationnaly about those subject. They allow only to express one's opinion, not exchange ideas in the hope to learn or convince. That's the job for encyclopedia, good quality blog and well moderated specialised forums. A debate on social media is more likely to be a shout match between to barely competant debater in a disorganised setting with a vox populi going on at the same time. Stick to discussions about hobbies and funny cats on social media, carry your desire to debate on important issues where they belong, stay polite and respectful and you will make the internet world a much better place.

Discussion boards are social media.

And everything you just described can happen - say - here, so long as it's not the colosseum.

So you have no point here.

That is why we have a colosseum.

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03-03-2016, 05:03 PM
RE: Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York
(03-03-2016 04:25 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 08:07 AM)epronovost Wrote:  Dude don't do that. Social media are the worst place to have debates, let alone debate on serious, complicated, philosophicaly heavy and sensitive issues like sexism, racism and classism. Social media platform have no rules to limit intervention, referee the debates and is vastly populated by people with very little knowledge or training to debate efficently and rationnaly about those subject. They allow only to express one's opinion, not exchange ideas in the hope to learn or convince. That's the job for encyclopedia, good quality blog and well moderated specialised forums. A debate on social media is more likely to be a shout match between to barely competant debater in a disorganised setting with a vox populi going on at the same time. Stick to discussions about hobbies and funny cats on social media, carry your desire to debate on important issues where they belong, stay polite and respectful and you will make the internet world a much better place.

Discussion boards are social media.

And everything you just described can happen - say - here, so long as it's not the colosseum.

So you have no point here.

The open pages of this forum are also not a good place to have a debate on the subject of sexism, racism or classism. Its an excellent place to have debates on religion, apologetics or other form of woo, but beside that its mostly a discussion board. The quality of user is also higher than your average social media board so it does help. Here, the real debates are supposed to be in the Colosseum not on pages like these.

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03-03-2016, 05:20 PM
RE: Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York
(03-03-2016 05:03 PM)epronovost Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 04:25 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  Discussion boards are social media.

And everything you just described can happen - say - here, so long as it's not the colosseum.

So you have no point here.

The open pages of this forum are also not a good place to have a debate on the subject of sexism, racism or classism. Its an excellent place to have debates on religion, apologetics or other form of woo, but beside that its mostly a discussion board. The quality of user is also higher than your average social media board so it does help. Here, the real debates are supposed to be in the Colosseum not on pages like these.

That's the reply I was looking for. Although not all social media platforms are the same. I would agree that the average user on tumblr is less intelligent than here, but Tumblr works well in that of every debate you see on your dash is going to contain someone you follow, and presumably find intelligent. And since tumblr is as large as it is, you are exposed to all leanings. I will essentially see a 1 on 1 debate between, say, a conservative and a liberal at any given time I log on. You don't get that here.
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03-03-2016, 06:55 PM
RE: Hillary could lose to Trump in Democratic New York
(01-03-2016 07:24 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  You and I can disagree about the subject matter without being complete dicks about it which, I’m sorry and surprised to see, you have been. Why now? Why on this topic?

Because this is the essence of Trump. He polarizes people. You either love him or hate him, there's no middle ground.

Vosur, I have always valued your opinion. As FC says, you are typically more level-headed and thoughtful than most of the apes around here, including myself. I read the message that you reposted to Chas in another thread and agree entirely that:
  • The US has serious problem. It is a nation divided against itself and this division is steadily growing worse. Only a blind drunk with a room temperature IQ (Celius) would suggest otherwise.
  • There obviously needs to be a change. The US needs a common goal and a leader that everybody can get behind. Enough of the partisan bullshit that's tearing the country apart. There have been a few opportunities for change in the last decade or two but they've been squandered, missed or snuffed out before they could get anywhere.
  • Trump will bring change. Of this I have no doubt whatsoever.
Where I respectfully beg to disagree is that Trump will bring the sort of change that would be positive or that anybody is going to want. That he is an alternative candidate does not imply that he is a better alternative. The guillotine is an alternative to a hang-over.

Tell me, what is it about Trump that makes you think that he'll be an improvement? As a unifier he has so far managed to split the Republicans in two, alienate the Hispanics, annoy the African Americans and insult women of all colour. As a statesman he's got half the Republican party threatening to not support him, is threatening to deport the Mexicans and the Muslims, has no hope of cordial relations with Mexico and worries everybody else. Is the bombastic racist who is pandering shamelessly to the religious right really the leader that you want or expect the American people to get behind?

As I see it, Donald Trump is not the solution to America's woes. He is the posterchild for its problems.

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