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31-03-2017, 05:12 PM
History repeats itself.
Love Dan Carlin, I wish he would put out a podcast more than every other 6 months.
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31-03-2017, 05:30 PM
RE: History repeats itself.
I got so many subjects to bitch about I don't know where to start. How about the Soviet Union, a revolution was faught to overthrow the Zar, the Zar and the Eastern Orthidox Christian Church were one and the same. The West called them "Athiests" while the Russians were just ridding them selves of a cross between church and state. Stalin was deffinatelly a monstorious dictator but what about their revolution? Were the ideas of socialism evil? WTF's up with Russia?
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31-03-2017, 05:57 PM
RE: History repeats itself.
I think you mean "Tsar"?
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31-03-2017, 05:58 PM
RE: History repeats itself.
I wish he would chop his history ones up into
Smaller bites

But yeah he's great
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31-03-2017, 07:59 PM
RE: History repeats itself.
Hey, goodwithwood- are you a native speaker of English? Seems like maybe not. Admission will help a lot with those of us who are trying to understand what you are putting up here.
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01-04-2017, 12:41 AM (This post was last modified: 01-04-2017 01:15 AM by Szuchow.)
RE: History repeats itself.
(31-03-2017 05:30 PM)GoodwithWood Wrote:  I got so many subjects to bitch about I don't know where to start. How about the Soviet Union, a revolution was faught to overthrow the Zar, the Zar and the Eastern Orthidox Christian Church were one and the same.

There were two revolutions, you know. And first one (February) wasn't about church, nor church was synonymous with Tsar. Actually October Revolution could be more accurately described as Bolsheviks takeover, it's only what happened next that make it deserving of such name. Naming is a minor thing though.

Quote:The West called them "Athiests" while the Russians were just ridding them selves of a cross between church and state.

Not only west call decry Bolsheviks as atheists. But I too see marxism-leninism as faith. Good read on the subject can be found in Totalitarianism and Political Religions, Volume II edited by Hans Maier and Michael Schafer. One article in particular may be interesting: Marxism-Leninism as political religion by Klaus Georg-Riegel.

Quote:Stalin was deffinatelly a monstorious dictator but what about their revolution? Were the ideas of socialism evil? WTF's up with Russia?

Seeing as humans are biggest (and only) monsters it's more fitting to drop the monstrous sobriquet; Stalin wasn't monster, just a man more murderous than the others and one who happened to have state apparatus willing to make his wishes reality.

But what about revolution? Well, millions of victims, poverty, hunger, terror, work camps but also some progress and industrialization. Industrialization however means shit next to rivers of blood that flown in USSR.

Also what ideas of socialism? I would call them ideas of marxism-leninism and say that they might have been noble in principle but in reality they resulted in totalitarian state. Totalitarian state which roots dates back to Lenin. Stalin was just creative with with twisting doctrine.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
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01-04-2017, 07:36 AM
RE: History repeats itself.
Yup -- The October Revolution was not so much a revolution as it was political machination in order to seize power over the coalition that overthrew the tsar.

I think the real Bolshevik revolution in the early days of the USSR happened with the installation of terror as a tool of governance. For all the evils of the Okhrana, they look to this American like schoolchildren next to the NKVD (populated as it was by many Tsarist police, they clearly had a leadership more willing to let out some blood.)
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01-04-2017, 07:44 AM
RE: History repeats itself.
(01-04-2017 12:41 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  But I too see marxism-leninism as faith.

You should make a distinction between Marxism and Leninism. Marxism is a philosophy that has been turned into an ideology by Lenin. Marx didn't have in mind what Lenin did. Lenin was a bitter man right from the start, who's hatred determined everything he did.

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01-04-2017, 07:51 AM
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(01-04-2017 07:44 AM)abaris Wrote:  
(01-04-2017 12:41 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  But I too see marxism-leninism as faith.

You should make a distinction between Marxism and Leninism. Marxism is a philosophy that has been turned into an ideology by Lenin. Marx didn't have in mind what Lenin did. Lenin was a bitter man right from the start, who's hatred determined everything he did.

Why should I make this distinction when Soviet ideology is described as marxism-leninism? I don't write about whatever Marx concocted but what Lenin did with this already strange thing.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
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01-04-2017, 07:58 AM
RE: History repeats itself.
(01-04-2017 07:51 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Why should I make this distinction when Soviet ideology is described as marxism-leninism?

Because it wasn't. Marx and Engels developed their model to counter the excesses of the Industrial revolution. That's got nothing to do with what the soviet empire turned into other than being called that way.

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