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30-10-2013, 12:05 AM
RE: History - what interests you?
Hey GE, you may may or may not be educated on the subject, but there is a period and area that I find to be just fascinating. I'm gonna be a bit lazy here and not look up a book or anything. I saw a great special on the subject on H2 or something a couple of years back.

What's thought to be the best early evidence for organized religion, predating Judaism by mellenia. Around 10,000 years ago, just as the earth was coming out of the last great ice age and stepping into civilization as we know it. There were great temples erected in modern day Turkey which served as a community center, a place to store grains, and a place to worship animal gods. As cities grew larger and it become more and more impractical to have a centralized location they buried the old temples and constructing smaller ones instead. Over the centuries the temples went from impressively large structures for their time into something that only comes up to a persons knee or hip. Essentially just some benches with some carvings and pillars. It's quite fascinating.

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30-10-2013, 09:30 AM
History - what interests you?
Religion was around before homosapiens practiced it.


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30-10-2013, 10:19 AM
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(30-10-2013 09:30 AM)I and I Wrote:  Religion was around before homosapiens practiced it.


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Your evidence?

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30-10-2013, 10:36 AM
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about the evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_religion

The evidence
The artifacts of what we commonly associate with some sort of religious beliefs, like using symbols, adornments, burial patterns.

Here is a video, 2/3 in it involves religious like artifacts and ritual evidence that we associate with religious beliefs.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/d...thals.html


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-na...thals.html
http://sjohn30.tripod.com/id2.html


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30-10-2013, 10:48 AM
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(30-10-2013 10:36 AM)I and I Wrote:  about the evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_religion

The evidence
The artifacts of what we commonly associate with some sort of religious beliefs, like using symbols, adornments, burial patterns.

Here is a video, 2/3 in it involves religious like artifacts and ritual evidence that we associate with religious beliefs.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/d...thals.html


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-na...thals.html
http://sjohn30.tripod.com/id2.html


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Thanks for the links.
The Neanderthal evidence is only suggestive of religious practice.

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30-10-2013, 10:51 AM
History - what interests you?
(30-10-2013 10:48 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-10-2013 10:36 AM)I and I Wrote:  about the evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_religion

The evidence
The artifacts of what we commonly associate with some sort of religious beliefs, like using symbols, adornments, burial patterns.

Here is a video, 2/3 in it involves religious like artifacts and ritual evidence that we associate with religious beliefs.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/d...thals.html


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-na...thals.html
http://sjohn30.tripod.com/id2.html


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Thanks for the links.
The Neanderthal evidence is only suggestive of religious practice.

Yes if one doesn't go up to someone and ask then yes, any other way of ascertaining a religion would be suggestive.
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30-10-2013, 03:39 PM
RE: History - what interests you?
(30-10-2013 10:51 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(30-10-2013 10:48 AM)Chas Wrote:  Thanks for the links.
The Neanderthal evidence is only suggestive of religious practice.

Yes if one doesn't go up to someone and ask then yes, any other way of ascertaining a religion would be suggestive.

It's not that much of a stretch, considering that dolphins are showing signs of culture:

http://www.livescience.com/21989-dolphin...lture.html
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30-10-2013, 06:37 PM
RE: History - what interests you?
Why the fuck do you people keep giving the idiot attention?

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30-10-2013, 07:35 PM
History - what interests you?
(30-10-2013 06:37 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Why the fuck do you people keep giving the idiot attention?

Again, if I respond I am the bad one. How about this one, I hope you get sent to Afghanistan and come back eating applesauce out of a tube you stupid cunt.
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30-10-2013, 08:30 PM (This post was last modified: 30-10-2013 08:34 PM by ghostexorcist.)
RE: History - what interests you?
(30-10-2013 12:05 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  Hey GE, you may may or may not be educated on the subject, but there is a period and area that I find to be just fascinating. I'm gonna be a bit lazy here and not look up a book or anything. I saw a great special on the subject on H2 or something a couple of years back.

What's thought to be the best early evidence for organized religion, predating Judaism by mellenia. Around 10,000 years ago, just as the earth was coming out of the last great ice age and stepping into civilization as we know it. There were great temples erected in modern day Turkey which served as a community center, a place to store grains, and a place to worship animal gods. As cities grew larger and it become more and more impractical to have a centralized location they buried the old temples and constructing smaller ones instead. Over the centuries the temples went from impressively large structures for their time into something that only comes up to a persons knee or hip. Essentially just some benches with some carvings and pillars. It's quite fascinating.

I'm familiar with the temple you are referring to. It's known as Göbekli Tepe. I agree that it is fascinating. The sad thing is that it has been claimed by creationists, new age witch cults, and Ancient Alien nuts.

(30-10-2013 09:30 AM)I and I Wrote:  Religion was around before homosapiens practiced it.


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I and other primatologists like Jane Goodall and Frans de Waal believe that something akin to proto-religion might be present in chimps. It's more of a fearful reverence for the elements than anything else. But this doesn't differ all that much from people who later came to worship storm gods like Thor, Zeus, and Indra. See this thread I started a while back.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...f-religion
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