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11-02-2017, 04:47 AM
RE: History.
(11-02-2017 04:44 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  It is time when you should show similarities.

Caracalla's brother??? Smile

Seriously mate. You know who is at this end?

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11-02-2017, 04:55 AM
RE: History.
(11-02-2017 04:47 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(11-02-2017 04:44 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  It is time when you should show similarities.

Caracalla's brother??? Smile

Seriously mate. You know who is at this end?

Stalin would be siblings died in infancy if I recall correctly so there is no one for him to kill. If you want to connect it with Kirov then you're wrong - according to Oleg Khlevniuk Kirov wasn't killed at Stalin orders even if his death may have been used as a prelude to Great Terror. Also remember time gap - Kirov died in 1934, terror started in 1936.

Also you could drop the appeals to authority. You know history? That's well and good but I ask you about similarities not general knowledge.

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11-02-2017, 05:03 AM
RE: History.
(11-02-2017 04:55 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(11-02-2017 04:47 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Caracalla's brother??? Smile

Seriously mate. You know who is at this end?

Stalin would be siblings died in infancy if I recall correctly so there is no one for him to kill. If you want to connect it with Kirov then you're wrong - according to Oleg Khlevniuk Kirov wasn't killed at Stalin orders even if his death may have been used as a prelude to Great Terror. Also remember time gap - Kirov died in 1934, terror started in 1936.

Also you could drop the appeals to authority. You know history? That's well and good but I ask you about similarities not general knowledge.

Trotsky/Stalin.

Mate I only asked for thoughts. I have yours.

Noted. Smile

I will say this. I think of history over longer periods than many others. I think in terms of 500 year blocks. A century is nothing to me.

This is where we differ. Smile

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11-02-2017, 05:10 AM
RE: History.
(11-02-2017 05:03 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(11-02-2017 04:55 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Stalin would be siblings died in infancy if I recall correctly so there is no one for him to kill. If you want to connect it with Kirov then you're wrong - according to Oleg Khlevniuk Kirov wasn't killed at Stalin orders even if his death may have been used as a prelude to Great Terror. Also remember time gap - Kirov died in 1934, terror started in 1936.

Also you could drop the appeals to authority. You know history? That's well and good but I ask you about similarities not general knowledge.

Trotsky/Stalin.

Mate I only asked for thoughts. I have yours.

Noted. Smile

I will say this. I think of history over longer periods than many others. I think in terms of 500 year blocks. A century is nothing to me.

This is where we differ. Smile

Trotsky wasn't Stalin brother and his death wasn't used as pretext for mass murder. Rather it was suspicion of being aligned with his goals that was used as one of pretexts for murder.

At best I see superficial similarities there.

About long view - look into my first post.

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11-02-2017, 05:12 AM
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I read your first post. I read all of your posts.

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11-02-2017, 05:14 AM
RE: History.
(11-02-2017 05:12 AM)Banjo Wrote:  I read your first post. I read all of your posts.

Then you know that our stance is similar.

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11-02-2017, 01:23 PM
RE: History.
(11-02-2017 05:14 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(11-02-2017 05:12 AM)Banjo Wrote:  I read your first post. I read all of your posts.

Then you know that our stance is similar.

Indeed.

However I see history differently to you in many ways. As mentioned, in longer periods, all being connected.

Caracalla was just one person I chose at random. I could have used Caesar with his genocide of the Gauls, Genghis with his many genocides across a huge expanse of land etc.

I may also have chosen Sejanus. Any number of Popes with their vatican underworld affecting, for example, Mary, queen of the Scots. Justinian's solution to the Nika riots. The British class cleansing and the convicts being shipped to the far away dominions....

History began a long time ago. It is not only about the century following the Russian revolution. So many dictators, so many events. All strangely similar in their differing ways.

That's my point.

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11-02-2017, 01:39 PM
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(11-02-2017 02:44 AM)Banjo Wrote:  All I've learned, aside from various incidents in history is this, what is "human nature?"

Thoughts?

I actually studied history, and all I can say is, even professionals keep specialising. You can't conquer them all proficiently. Even professionals have to look for books and sources and the only difference of being trained to being a layman is that you get some idea what reliable sources are about and how to use them.

To give you one example from the real curriculum. When I was early in my studies I was presented with a text that didn't bear author, origin or date. I was tasked with finding out when it was written and where it was written. It was pretty easy, since it was a piece from the then still existing GDR. The idea behind presenting that task however was different. It was to show you that you can trust your sources only so far. Everyone writes their subjective piece and that's depending on socialisation, time and environment. It was about teaching you critical reception. To trust nothing at face value, but to evaluate every piece against other sources.
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11-02-2017, 01:46 PM
RE: History.
(11-02-2017 01:23 PM)Banjo Wrote:  
(11-02-2017 05:14 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Then you know that our stance is similar.

Indeed.

However I see history differently to you in many ways. As mentioned, in longer periods, all being connected.

Caracalla was just one person I chose at random. I could have used Caesar with his genocide of the Gauls, Genghis with his many genocides across a huge expanse of land etc.

I may also have chosen Sejanus. Any number of Popes with their vatican underworld affecting, for example, Mary, queen of the Scots. Justinian's solution to the Nika riots. The British class cleansing and the convicts being shipped to the far away dominions....

Similarities with Stalin still would be superficial at least in my opinion as it is his ideology that sets him apart and willingness to blame victims for their fate - it's one thing to be unsympathetic ruler don't giving a shit about starving populace or even thinking that hunger is their fault, it's quite another to claim that peasants don't eat to made state look bad, that their hunger is just political tool. It's things like that which set him apart.

Quote:History began a long time ago. It is not only about the century following the Russian revolution. So many dictators, so many events. All strangely similar in their differing ways.

That's my point.

I'm aware that world history didn't start with Russian or French revolution. I just don't agree with your examples of similarities.

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11-02-2017, 01:50 PM
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(11-02-2017 01:39 PM)abaris Wrote:  I actually studied history, and all I can say is, even professionals keep specialising. You can't conquer them all proficiently.

So have I. For over 45 years.

Nobody can read everything.

My point is more about human nature. How the same cycle repeats, simply in differing ways.

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