Hitler wasn't a Christian?
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24-04-2013, 03:31 PM
RE: Hitler wasn't a Christian?
(24-04-2013 03:29 PM)Heathen Wrote:  
(23-04-2013 06:36 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  I am sitting on my bed, with my legs crossed, with a thermos of cool water.

I'm set to not move for the rest of the day. Drinking Beverage

Lets do this.

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24-04-2013, 04:17 PM (This post was last modified: 24-04-2013 04:36 PM by Heathen.)
RE: Hitler wasn't a Christian?
All nations have atrocities in their history as well as events that are virtuous or noble. Proclaiming the good is extremely easy. Coming to terms with and learning about the atrocities is much more difficult and, I believe, are even more important. It is not a zero sum game where the good outweighs the bad. Humans have a tendency to make these rationalizations and therefore so do nations and often religions.

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24-04-2013, 04:35 PM
RE: Hitler wasn't a Christian?
I think it's in the same regard as our very own Egor. The guy claims to be a Christian, but he doesn't practice traditional Christian values. In a denotative sense Hitler was a Christian, but in a connotative sense, his actions didn't represent what most people think of when they hear "Christian" values.

It's the same with Mormons. They are Christians, but they are thought of very differently within the traditional Christian realm.

The KKK is a Christian organization; however, you will be hard pressed to find "real" Christians that support them; likewise, Westboro Baptist Church.

"Real" Christians will say that these people aren't "real" Christians because of their actions; that they defame the name of Christ by claiming Him and being terrible at the same time.

They will say things like, "I can claim to be a dog all day... repeating it over and over again... barking... eating dog food... lifting my leg to pee... but all of that doesn't make me a dog. I'm still a person no matter how hard I try to be a dog."

I get both sides of the argument, but technically, he was a Christian. To what "level" of Christianity he was is relative and open for interpretation.

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24-04-2013, 04:44 PM
RE: Hitler wasn't a Christian?
And it's a big ol' doesn't fucking matter. Tongue

Peeps should be at least contemporary. Know who this is?

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24-04-2013, 04:51 PM
RE: Hitler wasn't a Christian?
(24-04-2013 04:35 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  I think it's in the same regard as our very own Egor. The guy claims to be a Christian, but he doesn't practice traditional Christian values. In a denotative sense Hitler was a Christian, but in a connotative sense, his actions didn't represent what most people think of when they hear "Christian" values.

It's the same with Mormons. They are Christians, but they are thought of very differently within the traditional Christian realm.

The KKK is a Christian organization; however, you will be hard pressed to find "real" Christians that support them; likewise, Westboro Baptist Church.

"Real" Christians will say that these people aren't "real" Christians because of their actions; that they defame the name of Christ by claiming Him and being terrible at the same time.

They will say things like, "I can claim to be a dog all day... repeating it over and over again... barking... eating dog food... lifting my leg to pee... but all of that doesn't make me a dog. I'm still a person no matter how hard I try to be a dog."

I get both sides of the argument, but technically, he was a Christian. To what "level" of Christianity he was is relative and open for interpretation.

If you would have stopped at KKK and hitler you would have had a better point. The Westboro Baptist Church is probably following the bible the closest of anyone. They don't cut out the unpleasant parts so I guess technically they are your "Real" Christians. Most of the so-called "faithful" don't know shit about their beliefs or their source material.

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24-04-2013, 06:16 PM
RE: Hitler wasn't a Christian?
Well Hitler was sort of following up on teachings of the Catholic church at the time, and historically he wasn't that much worse than other actions.

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25-04-2013, 05:10 PM
RE: Hitler wasn't a Christian?
(23-04-2013 04:58 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(31-01-2013 04:16 PM)Vosur Wrote:  "And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord." (p. 46)

"The yoke of slavery is and always will remain the most unpleasant experience that mankind can endure. Do the Schwabing decadents look upon Germany's lot to-day as 'aesthetic'? Of course, one doesn't discuss such a question with the Jews, because they are the modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their very existence is an incarnate denial of the beauty of God's image in His creation." (p. 107)

"What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfil [sic] the mission assigned to it by the Creator." (p. 125)

"It is just at those junctures when the idealistic attitude threatens to disappear that we notice a weakening of this force which is a necessary constituent in the founding and maintenance of the community and is thereby a necessary condition of civilization. As soon as the spirit of egotism begins to prevail among a people then the bonds of the social order break and man, by seeking his own personal happiness, veritably tumbles out of heaven and falls into hell." (p. 160)

"In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following:
(a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered;
(b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap.

The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged. Man's effort to build up something that contradicts the iron logic of Nature brings him into conflict with those principles to which he himself exclusively owes his own existence. By acting against the laws of Nature he prepares the way that leads to his ruin." (p. 162)

"How devoid of ideals and how ignoble is the whole contemporary system! The fact that the churches join in committing this sin against the image of God, even though they continue to emphasize the dignity of that image, is quite in keeping with their present activities. They talk about the Spirit, but they allow man, as the embodiment of the Spirit, to degenerate to the proletarian level. Then they look on with amazement when they realize how small is the influence of the Christian Faith in their own country and how depraved and ungodly is this riff-raff which is physically degenerate and therefore morally degenerate also. To balance this state of affairs they try to convert the Hottentots and the Zulus and the Kaffirs and to bestow on them the blessings of the Church. While our European people, God be praised and thanked, are left to become the victims of moral depravity, the pious missionary goes out to Central Africa and establishes missionary stations for negroes [sic]. Finally, sound and healthy - though primitive and backward - people will be transformed, under the name of our 'higher civilization', into a motley of lazy and brutalized mongrels." (p. 226)

"Look at the ravages from which our people are suffering daily as a result of being contaminated with Jewish blood. Bear in mind the fact that this poisonous contamination can be eliminated from the national body only after centuries, or perhaps never. Think further of how the process of racial decomposition is debasing and in some cases even destroying the fundamental Aryan qualities of our German people, so that our cultural creativeness as a nation is gradually becoming impotent and we are running the danger, at least in our great cities, of falling to the level where Southern Italy is to-day. This pestilential adulteration of the blood, of which hundreds of thousands of our people take no account, is being systematically practised [sic] by the Jew to-day. Systematically these negroid parasites in our national body corrupt our innocent fair-haired girls and thus destroy something which can no longer be replaced in this world. The two Christian denominations look on with indifference at the profanation and destruction of a noble and unique creature who was given to the world as a gift of God's grace. For the future of the world, however, it does not matter which of the two triumphs over the other, the Catholic or the Protestant. But it does matter whether Aryan humanity survives or perishes. And yet the two Christian denominations are not contending against the destroyer of the Aryan humanity but are trying to destroy one another. Everybody who has the right kind of feeling for his country is solemnly bound, each within his own denomination, to see to it that he is not constantly talking about the Will of God merely from the lips but that in actual fact he fulfils [sic] the Will of God and does not allow God's handiwork to be debased. For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroy His work wages war against God's Creation and God's will." (p. 310)

Does that suffice? Consider

Hitler simply mentions God in Mein Kompf, but does not really specify his particular belief in a dogmatic system. These quotes would indicate that he is a deist, and not necessarily a Christian.

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