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20-03-2016, 06:58 AM (This post was last modified: 20-03-2016 07:05 AM by Agnostic Shane.)
RE: Homophobic or Homo-Cautious
(20-03-2016 06:46 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 09:10 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  You asked me for details of the act. The whole story could be an made up as far as you are concerned. I haven't provided any evidence of what truly occurred.
"Blatantly provoking" is a detail in the story.
Why would you doubt the story teller if you're only trying to follow the story line & give advice based on that story line?
If the story teller lied your advice wouldn't be wrong because it was based on the assumption that the story was true.
Wouldn't it be better to ask the story teller if "blatantly provoking" COULD be an unfounded assumption? Why did you say you think it "is"?
At that point he could give you the details of the "blatant provoking" for you to make a conclusion.

It's simple one mindset view. There is no way of knowing what or not the person's intent is. So it's still assumptional to call it blatant. Basically this storyteller would need conscious info they wouldn't know.

I never asked you anything about "the act" you decided to infer that it seems. I asked you, multiple times, as have other posts, what does cautious mean and what would being cautious be?

Why do you continually not respond to this questions? Do you miss them? Do you think you already did so don't have to? Do you not understand the question? ...I'm just asking questions.
It appears we do not share the same understanding of the word blatant.
This is what I thought it meant:
From google:
bla·tant/ˈblātnt/
adjective
(of bad behavior) done openly and unashamedly.

I understand Blatant to represent an act & not an assumed intent. What did you think it meant?
I did not use the word blatant to mean intent. Where have I said or alluded to anything about his intent?
Did you assume the word blatant had something to do with his intent in the story?
Is there something I said that has led you to believe this in any way? My apologies if I did, but I don't see where I did it.

He openly an unashamedly admitted that he was using the words provocatively after being asked to desist.
We both (him & I) have the same view, and mindset about the blatant nature of the responses.
Why did you assume it was a "one mindset view"?

The story teller used the word blatant to describe a blatant part of the story. Why are you claiming to know the story better than the story teller?
Why don't you just ask if it was really blatant before making the claim it was a "one mind set view"?
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20-03-2016, 07:11 AM
RE: Homophobic or Homo-Cautious
(20-03-2016 06:58 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(20-03-2016 06:46 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  It's simple one mindset view. There is no way of knowing what or not the person's intent is. So it's still assumptional to call it blatant. Basically this storyteller would need conscious info they wouldn't know.

I never asked you anything about "the act" you decided to infer that it seems. I asked you, multiple times, as have other posts, what does cautious mean and what would being cautious be?

Why do you continually not respond to this questions? Do you miss them? Do you think you already did so don't have to? Do you not understand the question? ...I'm just asking questions.
It appears we do not share the same understanding of the word blatant.
This is what I thought it meant:
From google:
bla·tant/ˈblātnt/
adjective
(of bad behavior) done openly and unashamedly.

I understand Blatant to represent an act & not an assumed intent. What did you think it meant?
I did not use the word blatant to mean intent. Where have I said or alluded to anything about his intent?
Did you assume the word blatant had something to do with his intent in the story?
Is there something I said that has led you to believe this in any way? My apologies if I did, but I don't see where I did it.

He openly an unashamedly admitted that he was using the words provocatively after being asked to desist.
We both (him & I) have the same view, and mindset about the blatant nature of the responses.
Why did you assume it was a "one mindset view"?

The story teller used the word blatant to describe a blatant part of the story. Why are you claiming to know the story better than the story teller?
Why don't you just ask if it was really blatant before making the claim it was a "one mind set view"?
Other notions of definitions include the "obvious" notion of blatant. Very obvious and offensive or unashamed is how Merriam webster & others have labeled it.

Perhaps in wrong, but I always viewed something blatant as something the is aware oneself is doing. How else is it obvious?

Because what is obvious about anything anyone else does.

You also didn't respond again to other questions... maybe that's something that would make someone think someone is a jerk? Hmm, maybe?

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20-03-2016, 07:13 AM (This post was last modified: 20-03-2016 07:22 AM by Agnostic Shane.)
RE: Homophobic or Homo-Cautious
(20-03-2016 07:11 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(20-03-2016 06:58 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  It appears we do not share the same understanding of the word blatant.
This is what I thought it meant:
From google:
bla·tant/ˈblātnt/
adjective
(of bad behavior) done openly and unashamedly.

I understand Blatant to represent an act & not an assumed intent. What did you think it meant?
I did not use the word blatant to mean intent. Where have I said or alluded to anything about his intent?
Did you assume the word blatant had something to do with his intent in the story?
Is there something I said that has led you to believe this in any way? My apologies if I did, but I don't see where I did it.

He openly an unashamedly admitted that he was using the words provocatively after being asked to desist.
We both (him & I) have the same view, and mindset about the blatant nature of the responses.
Why did you assume it was a "one mindset view"?

The story teller used the word blatant to describe a blatant part of the story. Why are you claiming to know the story better than the story teller?
Why don't you just ask if it was really blatant before making the claim it was a "one mind set view"?
Other notions of definitions include the "obvious" notion of blatant. Very obvious and offensive or unashamed is how Merriam webster & others have labeled it.

Perhaps in wrong, but I always viewed something blatant as something the is aware oneself is doing. How else is it obvious?

Because what is obvious about anything anyone else does.

You also didn't respond again to other questions... maybe that's something that would make someone think someone is a jerk? Hmm, maybe?
Can you quote it?

Concerning not responding to other questions:
I tackle one point at a time before moving on to other points. Some of the single posts here have multiple brief objections to multiple statements/questions I have made.
This is a bit of a shotgun approach to logical discussion, which I don't have issues with, but others will get frustrated if I can't answer them all in a timely manner.
They will eventually be answered given enough time (I hope).
Would you call your mom a jerk if she had 5 kids all wanting to be answered at the same time & she decided to use a FIFO approach to responding?
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20-03-2016, 07:30 AM
RE: Homophobic or Homo-Cautious
(20-03-2016 07:13 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(20-03-2016 07:11 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Other notions of definitions include the "obvious" notion of blatant. Very obvious and offensive or unashamed is how Merriam webster & others have labeled it.

Perhaps in wrong, but I always viewed something blatant as something the is aware oneself is doing. How else is it obvious?

Because what is obvious about anything anyone else does.

You also didn't respond again to other questions... maybe that's something that would make someone think someone is a jerk? Hmm, maybe?
Can you quote it?

Concerning not responding to other questions:
I tackle one point at a time before moving on to other points. Some of the single posts here have multiple brief objections to multiple statements/questions I have made.
This is a bit of a shotgun approach to logical discussion, which I don't have issues with, but others will get frustrated if I can't answer them all in a timely manner.
They will eventually be answered given enough time (I hope).
Would you call your mom a jerk if she had 5 kids all wanting to be answered at the same time & she decided to use a FIFO approach to responding?
Yes.

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20-03-2016, 03:23 PM
RE: Homophobic or Homo-Cautious
(19-03-2016 04:05 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 03:54 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  I think i am curious about many things actually. My sexual preference isn't one of the questions at the top of my list though,

Girly took in a 15 yo Nigerian American in the 'hood when his mother kicked him out when she found gay porn on his computer. Dude has since gone to be a a successful physical therapist and Baltimore Ravens cheerleader. When he greets me he grabs my package. I tell him, "Dude, ass grabs only. We already talked about this."

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20-03-2016, 03:30 PM
RE: Homophobic or Homo-Cautious
(20-03-2016 07:30 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(20-03-2016 07:13 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Can you quote it?

Concerning not responding to other questions:
I tackle one point at a time before moving on to other points. Some of the single posts here have multiple brief objections to multiple statements/questions I have made.
This is a bit of a shotgun approach to logical discussion, which I don't have issues with, but others will get frustrated if I can't answer them all in a timely manner.
They will eventually be answered given enough time (I hope).
Would you call your mom a jerk if she had 5 kids all wanting to be answered at the same time & she decided to use a FIFO approach to responding?
Yes.
In that case jerk doesn't always have to be such a bad word then.
My own experiences has misled me a bit.
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20-03-2016, 03:32 PM
RE: Homophobic or Homo-Cautious
(20-03-2016 03:23 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 04:05 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Girly took in a 15 yo Nigerian American in the 'hood when his mother kicked him out when she found gay porn on his computer. Dude has since gone to be a a successful physical therapist and Baltimore Ravens cheerleader. When he greets me he grabs my package. I tell him, "Dude, ass grabs only. We already talked about this."

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20-03-2016, 05:13 PM
RE: Homophobic or Homo-Cautious
(19-03-2016 03:51 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  It would appear some people think being cautious about gays makes you a jerk. I don't think you are one of them but if you are:
Is being homophobic in this regard being a jerk?

I think homophobes are bigots.

Quote:Are you making assumptions about me based on the question?

No.

Quote:How did you assume my caution was irrelevant?

Because you gave no indication you were in danger.

Quote: Do you know the life story of the person being cautious?

No, my psychic powers are on the blink right now.

Quote:If your best friend's mom asked you to not talk about her deceased husband at the dinner table would you call her a jerk?

This is a silly comparison and won't be entertained any further.
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