Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
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15-05-2015, 07:57 AM
RE: Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
(15-05-2015 06:41 AM)Dunkleweizen Wrote:  
(14-05-2015 09:48 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Too bad you seem to be wrong by every study in this thread.

We just live in a society where we are conditioned at birth to avoid homosexual thoughts.

At birth? How is that done? Consider

Quote:Societies which also turn men into warriors and leaders and girls into models and homemakers when the two sexes showed opposite traits in their developing years.

What does this incomplete sentence mean?

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15-05-2015, 08:07 AM
RE: Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
(14-05-2015 09:24 PM)Dunkleweizen Wrote:  I have found it to be a choice. We just live in a society where faux liberals claim it's not a choice. There was no issue with homosexual relations in ancient societies. I have always seen it as a defense used by people who don't sleep with their own sexuality as a means of making themselves look more liberal.

One personal anecdote is entirely insufficient to make a generalization, (obviously). You also have not defined ANY of your terms. What exactly is a "faux liberal" and how exactly are you qualified to make that determination ? If YOU *find* yourself faced with multiple attractions then it is NOT about choice. If someone finds themself with more restricted attractions, that's also not "choice". At what age exactly and for what reason exactly, did you tell yourself, "Hmm, I will be attracted now to both males and females".

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15-05-2015, 08:29 AM
RE: Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
(14-05-2015 09:24 PM)Dunkleweizen Wrote:  I have found it to be a choice. We just live in a society where faux liberals claim it's not a choice. There was no issue with homosexual relations in ancient societies. I have always seen it as a defense used by people who don't sleep with their own sexuality as a means of making themselves look more liberal.

Bullshit.

Please choose to be attracted to the same sex. Go ahead. You don't have to stay that way, but do it just for a few minutes to prove your point. If you come back and say you were able to do so, then you're a liar. And don't make excuses like "I don't want to" because that's just running away from your claim. You made a claim - an ignorant one at that - now stand on it and choose to be attracted to the same sex for a few minutes. I'm waiting.

But I also know you can't do it because the evidence is already in. Try learning about it. Drinking Beverage

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15-05-2015, 09:53 AM
RE: Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
(14-05-2015 09:24 PM)Dunkleweizen Wrote:  ... people who don't sleep with their own sexuality as a means of making themselves look more liberal.
Huh? I don't sleep with my sexuality, but I've slept with women.

Next: if you see this as a conservative versus liberal issue, you're missing the point.

Also, this makes sense. Sounds like some sort of natural birth control.
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15-05-2015, 01:45 PM
RE: Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
(24-04-2015 09:07 AM)Learner Wrote:  What are some good resources that demonstrate that homosexuality is often due to genetics, against religious fundamentalists who say it's always just a choice and just "sin"?
It doesn't really matter does it whether it is a choice or genetic predisposition.
You don't need to justify why you support gays.

It's about love between two consenting people. It's entirely their own business. How is it your or anyone else's business to cast judgment?

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29-05-2015, 07:42 PM
RE: Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
What a perfect little thread to reply to. I own the website and domain called JustAChoice.Org and it has quite a few articles linked within that discuss homosexuality as well as transgenderism and intersex. I hope the mods will forgive me for link spamming:

http://www.justachoice.org/sexuality.html

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/27/9403....d1b1ee8515
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v11/n3/...5-248.html
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/bul/101/2/233/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8332896
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15539346

And gender identity with transgender people (such as myself):

http://www.justachoice.org/gender-identity.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...ssexuality
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17282888
http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content...hs267.full

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30-05-2015, 02:33 PM
RE: Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
Incidentally, couldn't anyone who wanted to "prove" sexual orientation to be purely by choice do so incredibly easily by, you know, choosing to do so, and unambiguously documenting as much?

I wonder why no one's done that.

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30-05-2015, 06:37 PM
RE: Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
(29-05-2015 07:42 PM)jojorumbles Wrote:  What a perfect little thread to reply to. I own the website and domain called JustAChoice.Org and it has quite a few articles linked within that discuss homosexuality as well as transgenderism and intersex. I hope the mods will forgive me for link spamming:

http://www.justachoice.org/sexuality.html

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/27/9403....d1b1ee8515
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v11/n3/...5-248.html
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/bul/101/2/233/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8332896
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15539346

And gender identity with transgender people (such as myself):

http://www.justachoice.org/gender-identity.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...ssexuality
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17282888
http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content...hs267.full

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I haven't read through all the links. I did read through the link regarding transgender brains. My daughter is transgender so I was very interested in that. From everything I've read the newer brain scans are more detailed and can pick up on subtle brain differences between the transgender brain of Male to Female and a Male brain.

I used to go over my pregnancy with my trans daughter and wonder what I did that might have influenced the development of her brain. The only thing I could think of is that I worked in a greenhouse taking care of exotic orchids. There was no pesticides used at all but the orchids do give off a lot of pheromones. A silly thought, hu?

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30-05-2015, 07:38 PM (This post was last modified: 31-05-2015 03:53 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
"Last year Canadian scientists found that the more older male siblings a man has, the greater chance he will be gay.

They believe that the immune response produced by a pregnant mother increases with each son, increasing the odds of producing more feminine traits in the developing brain of the fetus.

Each older brother raised the odds that a man was homosexual by one third.

Researchers at the University of California believe that homosexuality can be explained by the presence of epi-marks — temporary switches that control how our genes are expressed during gestation and after birth. "

from the Daily Telegraph article.
They are saying it's epigenetics controlled by the mother's immune system.

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10-06-2015, 07:12 PM
RE: Homosexuality is (often) due to genetics: please share evidence and resources
(30-05-2015 06:37 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  I used to go over my pregnancy with my trans daughter and wonder what I did that might have influenced the development of her brain.

If it helps, I think it's just a thing that happens. I'm transgender female and my younger sibling is transgender male. My baby sister is also a lesbian. Out of six kids total, two are trans and one is a lesbian. If it's not genetics at play here, it's probably epigenetics.
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