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24-01-2012, 02:01 PM
RE: Honest questions for Kingschosen
I still don't understand what you're trying to say with this. The water covered everything, up to the top of the mountains. That's all there's to it.
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24-01-2012, 02:16 PM
RE: Honest questions for Kingschosen
(24-01-2012 01:15 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(24-01-2012 12:17 PM)Denicio Wrote:  I applaud you, a christian 5 years and you found your way here and already exhibit signs of liberal christian theology.

Do you have a denomination that you lay claim to? A church type you go to?
Or do you attend one of those new agy non denominational 'we dont know what the fuck we are' type churches? Memphis is littered with those...and they almost ALWAYS end up in a terrible scandal of some sort...must be in the water here.

No free will? Hmm, so simply put..god knows and controls what i am having for lunch today? Or does he hold the remote control for only his followers? Does he control everyone, or just the chosen saved?

You are indeed a perplexing christian, no doubt.

D

For salvation, I more closely resemble a Calvinist/Reformed Baptist.
For Biblical interpretation and eschatology, I more closely resemble a Catholic.

I identify as a Reformed Baptist.

I believe in no freewill to it's most exhausted sense. God controls everything.

And yes, I'm a strange Christian. Probably because I read and studied the Bible before I let the church form my beliefs.
(24-01-2012 12:19 PM)lucradis Wrote:  I have one curious question. Unrelated to belief in the scripture.

Well it's actually two.

Are you going to raise your adorable little boy as a christian or wait till he's old enough to choose for himself?

And

How comfortable would you be with your kids growing up to be atheists? This would obviously mean they weren't chosen. Also I'm aware that you would still love them. I don't doubt that.

Yes, I will raise him Christian and teach him about God.

It would kill me; however, I would still have the hope that his regeneration hasn't come.

How do you justify God's murder of innocent children?

Here are some verses: "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." (Leviticus 26:22)

"This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass .... And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword." (1 Samuel 15:3,7-8)

"... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." (Judges 21:10-12)

This seems insane to me. I have heard attemps to justify these atrocities before and I none of the reasons make sense.
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24-01-2012, 02:17 PM
 
RE: Honest questions for Kingschosen
(24-01-2012 01:18 PM)Vlad Wrote:  Pharaoh died with the rest of his army when they drowned, so I'm not sure about the idea that he erased every possible evidence for the existence of over one million Jews were slaved in Egypt, Moses, the Exodus, the fact that THE ENTIRE EGYPTIAN ARMY DROWNED IN THE RED SEA, etc.

Of course, the new Pharaoh could (probably not) do that, but I think he'd rather deal with the fact that his county just lost its army, the cattle and the horses died (... three times...), etc.

The Exodus story can't get anymore ridiculous.

Quote:3) Yes, the flood was regional. Common mistranslations and ambiguity for "earth" and "mountains" in the Hebrew greatly change the meaning.
I'm... pretty sure that there's no mistranslation or any ambiguity regarding the words "earth" and "mountains" in the Hebrew. The OT made it pretty clear that the flood was worldwide.

Vlad, thanks for that. I did not have exodus handy but i seemed to recall Pharaoh and his army being wiped out. Kinda hard to change history once you are dead.

Unless apologists want to float the idea of the NEXT pharaoh hitting the delete key....then that becomes Egyptian Conspiracy Theory.

Forget the END of bad egyptian history being wiped out, just think how PROUD a prideful Pharaoh would be to have half a million slaves laboring under him....he'd most certainly have a Hieroglyphic or two about that, right? We are talking about 500,000 plus people orphaned in Egypt. No mention of them? Gotta use Occoms Razor here...........
Plus the lack of ..........a single artifact. Come on!

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24-01-2012, 04:23 PM
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(24-01-2012 02:16 PM)Jasrace Wrote:  How do you justify God's murder of innocent children?

Here are some verses: "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." (Leviticus 26:22)

"This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass .... And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword." (1 Samuel 15:3,7-8)

"... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." (Judges 21:10-12)

This seems insane to me. I have heard attemps to justify these atrocities before and I none of the reasons make sense.

And do you seriously expect to hear one that does? I'm not holding my breath.Dodgy

In fact, I've given up on Bible-bashing. It's like whacking a pinata that's full of cow dung.

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24-01-2012, 04:32 PM (This post was last modified: 24-01-2012 04:33 PM by kingschosen.)
RE: Honest questions for Kingschosen
(24-01-2012 01:57 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I have to admit being a bit baffled by the "no free will" belief KC. Most believers try to hold on to that AND god without ever realizing there is a strong contradiction. I am not baffled that you recognized the contradiction but that instead of interpreting it as if free will exists you interpreted it as no free will exists and god controls it all. Kind of a dismal view in my opinion that we are all nothing more than preordained cogs in a machine with no choice as to what we do, how we do it, when we do it, for how long we do it and how our usefulness will come to an end.

I have been asked how I can see beauty in the world without god and I say that I find beauty in the beauty of nature and the logic of science. I have to ask in light of this realization (perhaps this should be in the Ask a T thread), how do you find beauty in the world through this viewpoint?

The lack of freewill and the acceptance that an all powerful God is in control is probably the most liberating and satisfying feeling. I know that nothing my stupid-self does will ever affect God and His position towards me.
(24-01-2012 02:01 PM)Vlad Wrote:  I still don't understand what you're trying to say with this. The water covered everything, up to the top of the mountains. That's all there's to it.

The water covered the regional land and the hills.

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24-01-2012, 04:40 PM
RE: Honest questions for Kingschosen
(24-01-2012 04:23 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(24-01-2012 02:16 PM)Jasrace Wrote:  How do you justify God's murder of innocent children?

Here are some verses: "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." (Leviticus 26:22)

"This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass .... And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword." (1 Samuel 15:3,7-8)

"... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." (Judges 21:10-12)

This seems insane to me. I have heard attemps to justify these atrocities before and I none of the reasons make sense.

And do you seriously expect to hear one that does? I'm not holding my breath.Dodgy

In fact, I've given up on Bible-bashing. It's like whacking a pinata that's full of cow dung.

Im just curious how he does. I've heard a lot different stuff on that.
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24-01-2012, 07:20 PM
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Do you believe in a literal hell?

None of this separation from god but eternal suffering and burning? Or do you maybe beleive that hell is also eternal and just where all the non chosen go?
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24-01-2012, 10:30 PM
RE: Honest questions for Kingschosen
(23-01-2012 10:18 AM)Denicio Wrote:  1. Creation as spelled out in 6 days.
2. Adam and Eve
3. The Flood (I think he’s said it was regional)
4. Sodom and Gomorrah (with the wife tuned into salt)
5. The Exodus
6. The story of the physical 10 commandments in stone
7. Tower of Babel
8. The story of Job
9. Story of Jonah and the Whale

I heard the best excuse ever for these stories as follows:
"They are not actually true, but they are psychologically true".
WOW! That explains everything. God is not actually real, he is psychologically real. I believe atheist now can agree with christians on the psychological existance of god.

Problem solved...

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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24-01-2012, 11:18 PM
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(24-01-2012 04:32 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(24-01-2012 01:57 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I have to admit being a bit baffled by the "no free will" belief KC. Most believers try to hold on to that AND god without ever realizing there is a strong contradiction. I am not baffled that you recognized the contradiction but that instead of interpreting it as if free will exists you interpreted it as no free will exists and god controls it all. Kind of a dismal view in my opinion that we are all nothing more than preordained cogs in a machine with no choice as to what we do, how we do it, when we do it, for how long we do it and how our usefulness will come to an end.

I have been asked how I can see beauty in the world without god and I say that I find beauty in the beauty of nature and the logic of science. I have to ask in light of this realization (perhaps this should be in the Ask a T thread), how do you find beauty in the world through this viewpoint?

The lack of freewill and the acceptance that an all powerful God is in control is probably the most liberating and satisfying feeling. I know that nothing my stupid-self does will ever affect God and His position towards me.
(24-01-2012 02:01 PM)Vlad Wrote:  I still don't understand what you're trying to say with this. The water covered everything, up to the top of the mountains. That's all there's to it.

The water covered the regional land and the hills.
And it still makes no sense in relation to the Bible.

Again, if the flood was only regional, then there's no need for Noah to go around and gather animals on the ark to save them. The animals can save themselves. Noah sent a dove to look for land, which it failed to do initially (until the water recended). Why would they stay on the ark for so long if it was only regional?
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25-01-2012, 02:39 AM
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(24-01-2012 04:32 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  The water covered the regional land and the hills.

Where exactly did this happen?

Oh, no Hallucinations 4:11 says the 'gilded sheep should be stewed in rat blood' but Morons 5:16 contradicts it. (Chas)

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