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06-04-2017, 05:43 AM
RE: How I believe in God
(06-04-2017 05:37 AM)Vera Wrote:  
(06-04-2017 05:30 AM)OakTree500 Wrote:  In fact, my understanding of the formation of the Universe is that it IS imperfect, which is how some atoms came to cling together and so forth, ultimately explaining why everything deteriorates over time also.

So for a God to exist and be "perfect" in a seemingly totally imperfect universe, is strange to say the least.

Let's hear what Hawking has to say on the subject:

"One of the basic rules of the universe is that nothing is perfect. Perfection simply doesn't exist.....Without imperfection, neither you nor I would exist."

"The universe doesn't allow perfection."
Yep I got my understanding of the formation of the universe from the Hawk man himself Thumbsup

It was many years ago, so theory's may have popped up to prove otherwise, but he said this:

If we assume the big bang happened, then an explosion would send matter out in all directions, basically forming a "perfect" grid of matter, due to lack of anything else being in the way. Some of the "matter" was imperfect, and began to deteriorate, leaving gaps, and causing some to come together, which slowly formed atoms/elements and so on, and when this was finished on the large scale, you have gases which combine and ignite into stars, some of those stars live out a short life, exploding spreading matter further, and some of THAT becomes other stars/planets....and so on.

The fact that EVERYTHING dies, from organisms to stars themselves, seems to support this idea, and it's a fairly common theory that all atoms on our planet came from the sun/previous star's that were present.

So I might be off, and I'm not a scientist of any measure....but that's my rough understanding of it Smile

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06-04-2017, 05:45 AM
RE: How I believe in God
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06-04-2017, 05:49 AM
RE: How I believe in God
(06-04-2017 05:43 AM)OakTree500 Wrote:  
(06-04-2017 05:37 AM)Vera Wrote:  Let's hear what Hawking has to say on the subject:

"One of the basic rules of the universe is that nothing is perfect. Perfection simply doesn't exist.....Without imperfection, neither you nor I would exist."

"The universe doesn't allow perfection."
Yep I got my understanding of the formation of the universe from the Hawk man himself Thumbsup

It was many years ago, so theory's may have popped up to prove otherwise, but he said this:

If we assume the big bang happened, then an explosion would send matter out in all directions, basically forming a "perfect" grid of matter, due to lack of anything else being in the way. Some of the "matter" was imperfect, and began to deteriorate, leaving gaps, and causing some to come together, which slowly formed atoms/elements and so on, and when this was finished on the large scale, you have gases which combine and ignite into stars, some of those stars live out a short life, exploding spreading matter further, and some of THAT becomes other stars/planets....and so on.

The fact that EVERYTHING dies, from organisms to stars themselves, seems to support this idea, and it's a fairly common theory that all atoms on our planet came from the sun/previous star's that were present.

So I might be off, and I'm not a scientist of any measure....but that's my rough understanding of it Smile


If the amount of matter and anti-matter created at the formation of the universe had been perfectly symmetrical, the universe as we know it would't exist. We are the remnants of a cosmic showdown between these two, where for every billion parts of anti-matter, there was a billion and one parts of matter. The universe is, quite literally, one-in-a-billion.

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06-04-2017, 05:53 AM
RE: How I believe in God
Oh, oh, a chance to post a favourite clip from a great Hawking documentary! I *love* the balls bit!




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06-04-2017, 05:54 AM
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Thats the one I saw! Big Grin

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06-04-2017, 05:57 AM
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G'day mate, and welcome to the forums. Smile

(05-04-2017 11:54 PM)slipknot0129 Wrote:  I believe that the universe came from nothingness. Nothingness is the magic behind the universe. Nothingness is what makes us conscious. You condense nothingness so tight, it will become self aware. That's how God was formed. She is the highest consciousness that exists. She came from nothing naturally. Us coming from nothing means we have a untainted experience. I believe the nothingness was random at first. With time, God came from the randomness of pure nothingness. She learned perfection, and that's how the human experience came to be.

So when I die, I will go to heaven. Life is heaven anyways. It's beyond amazing what's in heaven. So pretty much the universe is perfect.

You're obviously a theist, so I understand that you accept as reality the existence of supernatural entities and paranormal phenomena. But... you need to offer us some viable evidence in support of your beliefs. It's not sufficient to simply state what your beliefs are; that's nothing more than expressing a personal opinion. And even a truckload of opinions does not equate to empirical evidence.

I'm also intrigued as to why you define your god as "female". How, specifically, do you think you know its gender?

I'm a creationist... I believe that man created God.
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06-04-2017, 05:57 AM
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The difference between the gods of yesteryear and the comic book superhero of today, is the superhero shows the best side of mankind, the gods of old, the worst.

Superman never committed genocide.

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06-04-2017, 06:03 AM
RE: How I believe in God
(06-04-2017 05:57 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  The difference between the gods of yesteryear and the comic book superhero of today, is the superhero shows the best side of mankind, the gods of old, the worst.

Superman never committed genocide.

Depends on how many Zack Snyder movies they make. Drinking Beverage

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06-04-2017, 06:09 AM
RE: How I believe in God
(05-04-2017 11:54 PM)slipknot0129 Wrote:  I believe that the universe came from nothingness. Nothingness is the magic behind the universe. Nothingness is what makes us conscious. You condense nothingness so tight, it will become self aware. That's how God was formed. She is the highest consciousness that exists. She came from nothing naturally. Us coming from nothing means we have a untainted experience. I believe the nothingness was random at first. With time, God came from the randomness of pure nothingness. She learned perfection, and that's how the human experience came to be.

So when I die, I will go to heaven. Life is heaven anyways. It's beyond amazing what's in heaven. So pretty much the universe is perfect.

So you know what's in heaven? Do tell.
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06-04-2017, 06:16 AM
RE: How I believe in God
(05-04-2017 11:54 PM)slipknot0129 Wrote:  I believe that the universe came from nothingness. Nothingness is the magic behind the universe. Nothingness is what makes us conscious. You condense nothingness so tight, it will become self aware. That's how God was formed. She is the highest consciousness that exists. She came from nothing naturally. Us coming from nothing means we have a untainted experience. I believe the nothingness was random at first. With time, God came from the randomness of pure nothingness. She learned perfection, and that's how the human experience came to be.

So when I die, I will go to heaven. Life is heaven anyways. It's beyond amazing what's in heaven. So pretty much the universe is perfect.

> And why should this creation story be any less likely than yours?:

1 In the beginning Erú Ilúvatar, the One, made the Ainur of His thought; and they made a great Music before Him. In this Music the World was begun; for Ilúvatar made visible the song of the Ainur, and they beheld it as a light in the darkness. And many among them became enamored of its beauty, and of its history which they saw beginning and unfolding as in a vision. Therefore, Ilúvatar gave to their vision Being, and set it amid the Void, and the secret fire was sent to burn at the heart of the World; and it was called Eä.

2 Then those of the Ainur who desired it arose and entered into the World at the beginning of Time; and it was their task to achieve it, and by their labors to fulfill the vision which they had seen. Long they labored in the regions of Eä, which are vast beyond the thoughts of Elves and Men, until in the time appointed was made Arda, the Kingdom of Earth. Then they put on the raiment of Earth and descended into it, and dwelt therein. (The Silmarillion: Valaquenta: 1-2)

2 In that time [of the Beginning of Days] the Valar brought order to the seas and the lands and the mountains, and Yavanna at last planted the seeds that she had long devised. And since, when the fires were subdued or buried beneath the primeval hills, there was need of light, Aulë at the prayer of Yavanna wrought two mighty lamps for the lighting of the Middle-earth which he had built amid the encircling seas. Then Varda filled the lamps and Manwë hallowed them, and the Valar set them upon high pillars, more lofty far than are any mountains of the later days. One lamp they raised to the north of Middle-earth, and it was named Illuin; and the other was raised in the south, and it was named Ormal; and the light of the lamps of the Valar flowed out over the Earth, so all was lit as it were in changeless day.

3 The seeds that Yavanna had sown began swiftly to sprout and to burgeon, and there arose a multitude of growing things great and small, mosses and grasses and great ferns, and trees whose tops were crowned with cloud as they were living mountains, but whose feet were wrapped in green twilight. And beasts came forth and dwelt in the grassy plains, or in the rivers and the lakes, or walked in the shadows of the woods. As yet not flower had bloomed nor any bird had sung, for those things waited still their time in the bosom of Yavanna; but wealth there was of her imagining, and nowhere more rich than in the midmost parts of the Earth, where the light of both the Lamps met and blended. And there upon the isle of Almaren in the Great Lake was the first dwelling of the Valar when all things were young, and new-made grass was yet a marvel in the eyes of the makers; and they were long content.
(The Silmarillion 1:2-3)

It is told that even as Varda ended her labours, and they were long, when first Menelmacar strode up the sky and the blue fire of Helluin flickered in the mists above the borders of the world, in that hour the Elven Children of the Earth awoke, the Firstborn of Ilúvatar. By the starlit mere of Cuiviénen, Water of Awakening, they rose from the sleep of Ilúvatar; and while they dwelt yet silent by Cuiviénen their eyes beheld first of all things the stars of heaven. Therefore they have ever loved the starlight, and have revered Varda Elentári above all the Valar. (The Silmarillion, 3:8)
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