How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
29-04-2018, 07:48 PM
RE: How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
(29-04-2018 07:21 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(29-04-2018 06:27 PM)FarSeeker Wrote:  So you are not opposed to killing children.

Aborting a fetus is not the same as killing a child.

Quote:And that's if you believe the fallacy that the child she is carrying in her body is actually part of her body.

It is.

So, a human is not a human:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

"On his faculty page, Mr. Singer argues: “Newborn human babies have no sense
of their own existence over time. So killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to
killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living. "
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...r-faces-c/
Gasp
Atheists agree with the wrong people.

On the other hand:
The child has both a separate/different genetic code from both the father and
mother and a different blood supply. You would have to believe that a miracle
literally occurs when a baby magically appears from nowhere after a woman goes
thru months of abdominal swelling and hours of lower abdominal pain. Facepalm
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
29-04-2018, 09:01 PM (This post was last modified: 29-04-2018 09:50 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
(29-04-2018 06:27 PM)FarSeeker Wrote:  So you are not opposed to killing children.

They are not "children" any more than they are "grandparents".
Nice try at your "argument from emotion".
A fetus is not a "baby". It's a POTENTIAL baby.
Early on it's a clump of cells with no brain and no neural tube.
Cells with no brain and no neural tube are not a human person (yet).
Human fetuses are not "viable" in general less than 24 weeks, and most abortions are done LONG before that.
Personhood is granted by LAW, not your religious cult.

You are unable to state what "the moment of conception" means, (in fact it takes at least a day, AND at what point in that process you pick to be *the* moment would be argued by
the chair-persons of the best OBGYN Departments in the world, who could not reach consensus on the question.

If you oppose abortion, then don't have one.
It is LEGAL in most of the civilized world ... so whatever you think, it's irrelevant.
Stop trying to shove your opinions down other people's throats.

https://www.romper.com/p/3-ways-science-...ou-3199987

The fact is, way more than 50 % of human conceptions result in spontaneous abortion .... so ah, guess who that makes the worst abortionist, in your little deluded world ?
God.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1970983

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein It is objectively immoral to kill innocent babies. Please stick to the guilty babies.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Bucky Ball's post
29-04-2018, 09:37 PM
RE: How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
(29-04-2018 06:27 PM)FarSeeker Wrote:  Do you oppose abortion? Do you advocate making the killing of THOSE innocent babies illegal through legislative action?

Does your God oppose abortion? How is it that his intelligent design allows for up to 75% of all conceptions (or babies by your reckoning) to fail to reach term without human intervention? God comes across as the greatest abortionist of all time if you take your bible-glasses off for a moment.

Also, if he truly cared for unborn fetuses, God could easily have intelligently designed a reproductive system that prevented any attempt at abortion. He did, after all, design inoperative malignant cancers.

No gods necessary.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
29-04-2018, 10:21 PM
RE: How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
(29-04-2018 07:48 PM)FarSeeker Wrote:  
(29-04-2018 07:21 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Aborting a fetus is not the same as killing a child.


It is.

So, a human is not a human:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

"On his faculty page, Mr. Singer argues: “Newborn human babies have no sense
of their own existence over time. So killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to
killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living. "
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...r-faces-c/
Gasp
Atheists agree with the wrong people.

On the other hand:
The child has both a separate/different genetic code from both the father and
mother and a different blood supply. You would have to believe that a miracle
literally occurs when a baby magically appears from nowhere after a woman goes
thru months of abdominal swelling and hours of lower abdominal pain. Facepalm


If your god values human life so much, why does he kill all those embryos?
25% fertilised eggs ( zygotes) never even implant in the womb. They are washed out with the menstrual flow before the woman even knew she was a pregnant.

Another few percent implant, but fail to gestate for a whole host of reasons.

We have a lot of research verifying this. Researchers can and have tracked it using women's hormone levels.

"God is the world's busiest abortionist." Dr Abby Haffer

 If you believe we are human beings with souls from the moment of conception, why does your god kill more than a quarter of us after only a few days of life? Is he lonely?


 https://youtu.be/AQTLwuUjWmg
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Sushisnake's post
29-04-2018, 11:39 PM (This post was last modified: 29-04-2018 11:51 PM by Deesse23.)
RE: How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
It took you 3 months to think about how to rehabilitate your horrible position, and the best answer you had is "god didnt kill all life on earth, just all human beings, fish were still alive"?

That is the best you could come up with? I am asking, so we dont have any miscommunication here. You really think that was a reasonable answer?

Quote:I'm against omnicide. Happy?
Hint: the definition of omnicide is "The total extinction of the human species". You are defending omnicide. Whats next, are you going to defend the indefensible by arguing that Noahs family survived?
[Image: x-go-ahead-make-my-day.jpg]


And then you go on and prove my original point by doubling down on your bullshit?
Quote:for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
The Bible says all the people had become corrupt; except Noah and his family. That is why they were spared.
How do you know that is true? How do you know all the non-Noah-family babies and children who havent even reached the age of reasoning were corrupted? You are defending the killing of every human being based on a single ancient text which is known to be full of errors and immorality. Your moral compass is so twisted that you are desperately defending an utterly horrible action, for which there is no evidence that it even happened at all.
Stop sacrificing your human dignity on the altar of a sick and twisted death cult.

Ceterum censeo, religionem delendam esse
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Deesse23's post
30-04-2018, 05:11 AM
RE: How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
(29-04-2018 06:27 PM)FarSeeker Wrote:  
(19-02-2018 05:04 PM)Astreja Wrote:  I support the absolute right of a woman to do what she wants with her body.

So you are not opposed to killing children.

False equivalence; a fetus is not a child. Drinking Beverage

Quote:Hmmm, The next time a woman wants a "physician-assisted suicide," tell her to go to an abortion clinic and ask the doctor to abort her heart.
Then see how absolute a right a woman has to do what she wants with her body.
And that's if you believe the fallacy that the child she is carrying in her body is actually part of her body.

Your similes suck. Those aren't even comparable.

Quote:
(19-02-2018 05:04 PM)Astreja Wrote:  I donate to a local clinic to subsidize the cost of birth control, which is the best way to prevent abortions.

I unconditionally oppose the criminalization of abortion. Making it illegal will just drive it underground, not stop it.

The same happened to murder. They are called murderers, assassins and hitmen. Your argument fails.

(19-02-2018 05:04 PM)Astreja Wrote:  If you are sincere in wanting to prevent abortions, get out your wallet right this instant and buy some quality birth control medications and devices for women who cannot otherwise afford it. I'm not talking condoms here -- I'm talking hormonal IUDs, implants and injections.

I am, through the government, under the threat of prosecution, and the point of a gun (it was about US$528 million in 2014). Meanwhile, the government doesn't have enough money to give Veterans good medical care.

Delusions of grandeur? Consider

Quote:And in your willingness to support killing, you fail to see other options. Aren't hormonal IUDs, implants and injections MUCH cheaper than paying a doctor to commit an abortion? Just take the money saved by not paying the doctors and have nurses do hormonal IUDs, implants and injections? You will accomplish much more.

Meanwhile, Deesse23 is angry about God killing Egypt heirs over 3 millennia ago, and an unknown number killed in Noah's flood, but couldn't care less about the >40 million babies killed in America since 1973. Doesn't she know that those babies being killed today are within her ability to save?

No birth control is 100% effective.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Chas's post
30-04-2018, 05:13 AM
RE: How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
(29-04-2018 07:25 PM)FarSeeker Wrote:  Dawkins words apply more accurately about Atheists than about theists: liberal and moderate Atheists make the world safe for the extremist Atheists.

Where are these "extremist Atheists"? Pro tip: "atheist" is not a proper noun.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
30-04-2018, 05:28 AM
RE: How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
(29-04-2018 06:27 PM)FarSeeker Wrote:  Doesn't she know that those babies being killed today are within her ability to save?

They are not. It is illegal to interfere with women's health care. Termination of a pregnancy is a woman's right, and your opinion of the matter is totally irrelevant. Take your indoctrinated Jebus-talk, and crawl back under your rock.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein It is objectively immoral to kill innocent babies. Please stick to the guilty babies.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Bucky Ball's post
30-04-2018, 06:14 AM
RE: How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
(29-04-2018 07:25 PM)FarSeeker Wrote:  
(29-04-2018 01:42 PM)unfogged Wrote:  If no god exists then humans have some responsibility but accidents and natural disasters are also responsible for the need for charity. Humans would not bear the full responsibility.

On the other hand, if an omniscient, omnipotent god existed then it would bear the full responsibility.

Why? This world is the one you want, God is not interfering in your life. God never promised you a rose garden.

Nice dodge. It seems you are congenitally unable to see the point. By the way, the fact that no god interferes in my life is your problem not mine; I don't rely on promises from fictional characters.

Quote:You've seen what your fellow Atheists have done. You've seen and heard that the most popular and educated Atheist among you supported and support it even now, but you only call God a moral monster.

Dawkins words apply more accurately about Atheists than about theists: liberal and moderate Atheists make the world safe for the extremist Atheists.

That might mean something if atheism was a moral position. It isn't. Atheists are people that don't believe in any gods. What they base their morality on varies and your attempt to lump all atheists into one bundle is no more meaningful than talking about how immoral mustaches are because some men with mustaches did horrible things.

Finally, in a probably vain attempt to get you to admit to the point that you are so intent on avoiding, Christians generally claim that their god is the source of morality and represents perfect goodness. The fact that it causes and orders heinous acts belies that claim and engaging in tu quoque replies is not a refutation.

Atheism: it's not just for communists any more!
America July 4 1776 - November 8 2016 RIP
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes unfogged's post
30-04-2018, 07:53 AM (This post was last modified: 30-04-2018 07:57 AM by Deesse23.)
RE: How Religion Destroys a Civilization (A Warning For The Present Day)
Quote:Meanwhile, Deesse23 is angry about God killing Egypt heirs over 3 millennia ago, and an unknown number killed in Noah's flood, but couldn't care less about the >40 million babies killed in America since 1973. Doesn't she know that those babies being killed today are within her ability to save?

#1 citation(s) where i said what you claim i said!
#2 Even if 400 million abortions were made, its still irrelevant to the justification of gods omnicide using a flood.

How.do.you.justify.omnicide, other than
#1 dishonestly pointing toward perceived killing by other entities than your god. You seem to hold your deity to an absurdly low moral standard. Its shocking, and you should know.
#2 making absurd claims like "everybody but Noahs familiy deserved it"
I dont even know whaich one of those two arguments of yours ar worse.

Ceterum censeo, religionem delendam esse
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Deesse23's post
Post Reply
Forum Jump: