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10-06-2015, 08:09 AM
RE: How Religion Nearly Shattered my Mind
(09-06-2015 11:48 AM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 11:43 AM)tomilay Wrote:  There certainly is that aspect of spreading the gospel.

But I am also aware of them providing services that would otherwise not be had by the natives, for free, without any requirement for the recipient to partake in their dogma. I can't fault that.

Goal 1 is to preach. Goal 2 is to help.

Goal 2 can be achieved without inserting goal 1.

Um, no. The Bible actually calls Christians to have these priorities:

1. Preach

2. Help poor and needy Christians

3. Help poor and needy non-Christians

It takes a lot of time, money and effort to do all three well. Be a little more thankful for others' sake. I support several families in Africa and Asia (non-Christians) off my limited income besides giving to my church and preaching. You?

And you ought to understand our view with more tolerance. If I feed a hungry person, which I do, he will hunger again. Salvation is permanent.

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10-06-2015, 08:16 AM (This post was last modified: 11-06-2015 06:20 AM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: How Religion Nearly Shattered my Mind
(10-06-2015 08:09 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 11:48 AM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  Goal 1 is to preach. Goal 2 is to help.

Goal 2 can be achieved without inserting goal 1.

Um, no. The Bible actually calls Christians to have these priorities:

1. Preach

2. Help poor and needy Christians

3. Help poor and needy non-Christians

It takes a lot of time, money and effort to do all three well. Be a little more thankful for others' sake. I support several families in Africa and Asia (non-Christians) off my limited income besides giving to my church and preaching. You?

And you ought to understand our view with more tolerance. If I feed a hungry person, which I do, he will hunger again. Salvation is permanent.

Those humanitarian deeds can be done by secular organizations like foundation beyond belief, without spoonfeeding disproven dogma...i.e. agenda based brain washing of the young. My mom is in Africa right now ministering to the unwashed heathens...she is a Pentecostal minister which are one of the worse for epic level delusion, and was invited to go do a series of revivals and come-to-jesus gatherings...makes me sick.

Implying that salvation is permanent is like me saying thor's fart caused a permanent hole in the ozone....unproven and biased conjecture at best. But while you are languishing in the transcendental made up world professing knowledge of the 5th dimension, tell Thor, Romulus, Mithra and jesus I said hi.

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10-06-2015, 09:00 AM
RE: How Religion Nearly Shattered my Mind
(10-06-2015 08:09 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 11:48 AM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  Goal 1 is to preach. Goal 2 is to help.

Goal 2 can be achieved without inserting goal 1.

Um, no. The Bible actually calls Christians to have these priorities:

1. Preach

2. Help poor and needy Christians

3. Help poor and needy non-Christians

It takes a lot of time, money and effort to do all three well. Be a little more thankful for others' sake. I support several families in Africa and Asia (non-Christians) off my limited income besides giving to my church and preaching. You?

And you ought to understand our view with more tolerance. If I feed a hungry person, which I do, he will hunger again. Salvation is permanent.

Um, no. No preaching is needed.

1. Help the poor and needy.

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10-06-2015, 04:13 PM (This post was last modified: 10-06-2015 04:36 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: How Religion Nearly Shattered my Mind
(10-06-2015 08:09 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I support several families in Africa and Asia (non-Christians) off my limited income besides giving to my church and preaching. You?

Oh goodie, let's whip it out and compare our good deed dick sizes. I feed and house indigent neighborhood kids. Been 4 so far. I got extra bedrooms so I might as well put them to use. The first one was a Nigerian teenager whose mother kicked him out because she found gay porn on his computer. He has since gone on to medical school and is a Baltimore Ravens cheerleader. He makes me proud like he was my own son. I just wish he would stop grabbing my package as a form of greeting.
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Don't you have rules and shit about not bragging about your good deed dick size? ... Ha, found it: “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." Matthew 6:1-4 (NIV)

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. You really really suck at this Christian thing.

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10-06-2015, 05:06 PM
RE: How Religion Nearly Shattered my Mind
(10-06-2015 08:09 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 11:48 AM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  Goal 1 is to preach. Goal 2 is to help.

Goal 2 can be achieved without inserting goal 1.

Um, no. The Bible actually calls Christians to have these priorities:

1. Preach

2. Help poor and needy Christians

3. Help poor and needy non-Christians

It takes a lot of time, money and effort to do all three well. Be a little more thankful for others' sake. I support several families in Africa and Asia (non-Christians) off my limited income besides giving to my church and preaching. You?

And you ought to understand our view with more tolerance. If I feed a hungry person, which I do, he will hunger again. Salvation is permanent.

Besides adding the qualifier of Christian or non Christian, how is that any different than the priority ranking I listed?

Derp.
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10-06-2015, 05:29 PM
How Religion Nearly Shattered my Mind
I'm a little tired of this Christian claim that only they help others in need. It's a dishonest, cruel claim in an attempt to assert that only their god can make people care.

So let's ignore those of us who have Red Cross disaster experience, help those in need despite them insisting we're horrible heathens (because in some areas you have difficulty being openly atheist), spending our limited money on good causes (want me to list some I help?), donating time despite physical reasons why we shouldn't, or so on.

It's sickening on so many levels.
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11-06-2015, 10:10 AM
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(10-06-2015 05:29 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  I'm a little tired of this Christian claim that only they help others in need. It's a dishonest, cruel claim in an attempt to assert that only their god can make people care.

So let's ignore those of us who have Red Cross disaster experience, help those in need despite them insisting we're horrible heathens (because in some areas you have difficulty being openly atheist), spending our limited money on good causes (want me to list some I help?), donating time despite physical reasons why we shouldn't, or so on.

It's sickening on so many levels.

You and everyone blew right past my points, of course. I was writing that there are many times when a Christian SHOULD NOT help others. Namely, if it's getting in the way of the preaching! There are mainline Christian groups who are so into "the social gospel" they forget about the gospel!

I'm neither insisting heathens are horrible nor that Christians do more good works than others. I know some non-Christians who do more for others than Christians do IMHO--at least touching material needs.

No, the real issue is that Christians have objective reasons for helping others and also what you would call subjective reasons that are correct. Wasn't Hitler helping the Aryans by killing Jews? I'd ask you why your helping feed the hungry is better than killing Jews, but your answers are sure-fire guaranteed to fall into two categories:

"What are you, stupid, Q? Everyone just kind of, um, knows, it's better to feed people than kill them, because, um, it just kind of is!" or the ever-popular "Darwin blah-blah-blah ratiocinated societal greater good economic blah-blah-blah economically inefficient to bury Jews blah-blah-blah" THE HOLOCAUST WAS RUN BY THE NAZIS AT A SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC PROFIT. A lot of you have socio-economic worldviews that would justify the Holocaust. That disgusts me.

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11-06-2015, 10:26 AM
RE: How Religion Nearly Shattered my Mind
(11-06-2015 10:10 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 05:29 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  I'm a little tired of this Christian claim that only they help others in need. It's a dishonest, cruel claim in an attempt to assert that only their god can make people care.

So let's ignore those of us who have Red Cross disaster experience, help those in need despite them insisting we're horrible heathens (because in some areas you have difficulty being openly atheist), spending our limited money on good causes (want me to list some I help?), donating time despite physical reasons why we shouldn't, or so on.

It's sickening on so many levels.

You and everyone blew right past my points, of course. I was writing that there are many times when a Christian SHOULD NOT help others. Namely, if it's getting in the way of the preaching! There are mainline Christian groups who are so into "the social gospel" they forget about the gospel!

I'm neither insisting heathens are horrible nor that Christians do more good works than others. I know some non-Christians who do more for others than Christians do IMHO--at least touching material needs.

No, the real issue is that Christians have objective reasons for helping others and also what you would call subjective reasons that are correct. Wasn't Hitler helping the Aryans by killing Jews? I'd ask you why your helping feed the hungry is better than killing Jews, but your answers are sure-fire guaranteed to fall into two categories:

"What are you, stupid, Q? Everyone just kind of, um, knows, it's better to feed people than kill them, because, um, it just kind of is!" or the ever-popular "Darwin blah-blah-blah ratiocinated societal greater good economic blah-blah-blah economically inefficient to bury Jews blah-blah-blah" THE HOLOCAUST WAS RUN BY THE NAZIS AT A SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC PROFIT. A lot of you have socio-economic worldviews that would justify the Holocaust. That disgusts me.

What the actual fuck?
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11-06-2015, 10:54 AM (This post was last modified: 11-06-2015 12:06 PM by Worom.)
RE: How Religion Nearly Shattered my Mind
(11-06-2015 10:10 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 05:29 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  I'm a little tired of this Christian claim that only they help others in need. It's a dishonest, cruel claim in an attempt to assert that only their god can make people care.

So let's ignore those of us who have Red Cross disaster experience, help those in need despite them insisting we're horrible heathens (because in some areas you have difficulty being openly atheist), spending our limited money on good causes (want me to list some I help?), donating time despite physical reasons why we shouldn't, or so on.

It's sickening on so many levels.

You and everyone blew right past my points, of course. I was writing that there are many times when a Christian SHOULD NOT help others. Namely, if it's getting in the way of the preaching! There are mainline Christian groups who are so into "the social gospel" they forget about the gospel!

I'm neither insisting heathens are horrible nor that Christians do more good works than others. I know some non-Christians who do more for others than Christians do IMHO--at least touching material needs.

No, the real issue is that Christians have objective reasons for helping others and also what you would call subjective reasons that are correct. Wasn't Hitler helping the Aryans by killing Jews? I'd ask you why your helping feed the hungry is better than killing Jews, but your answers are sure-fire guaranteed to fall into two categories:

"What are you, stupid, Q? Everyone just kind of, um, knows, it's better to feed people than kill them, because, um, it just kind of is!" or the ever-popular "Darwin blah-blah-blah ratiocinated societal greater good economic blah-blah-blah economically inefficient to bury Jews blah-blah-blah" THE HOLOCAUST WAS RUN BY THE NAZIS AT A SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC PROFIT. A lot of you have socio-economic worldviews that would justify the Holocaust. That disgusts me.

I second the what the actual fuck statement that was given, I see that Godwin's law has now been invoked. On another note Hitler was Catholic and sincerely believed based on his writings that he was doing the work of God. Your argument that a lot of "us" have socio-economic worldviews that would justify the holocaust quite frankly disgusts me to no end. You make that accusation with no evidence and no basis and seems to be driven out of spite. You sir epitomize how toxic religion is and have in a single stroke invalidated every single argument you have made in this thread and have proven my original post still holds very true.

And since we are down the rabbit hole now, I will present you the following I'm stealing the argument from the true scotsman but it has an incredible amount of power. Lets see if you can answer it

1. If existence has metaphysical primacy over consciousness, then the Christian God does not exist.

2. Existence has metaphysical primacy over consciousness.

Therefore the Christian God does not exist.

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11-06-2015, 10:57 AM
RE: How Religion Nearly Shattered my Mind
(10-06-2015 08:09 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Um, no. The Bible actually calls Christians to have these priorities:

1. Preach

2. Help poor and needy Christians

3. Help poor and needy non-Christians

It takes a lot of time, money and effort to do all three well. Be a little more thankful for others' sake. I support several families in Africa and Asia (non-Christians) off my limited income besides giving to my church and preaching. You?

And you ought to understand our view with more tolerance. If I feed a hungry person, which I do, he will hunger again. Salvation is permanent.

I like these priorities better because they encompass the asininity of the Christian religion:

1.) Matthew 19:29 - Abandon your wife and children for Jesus
2.) Matthew 10:34-36 - Jesus has come to destroy families by making members hate each other. He comes not to send peace but a sword.
3.) Matthew 8:21 - Let the dead bury the dead. Or in other words, fuck your father, come follow me.
4.) Matthew 10:27 - Jesus warns us not to love our parents and children too much.
5.) Luke 14:26 - he commands his disciples to hate their families, (mothers, brothers, sisters, fathers, etc) and themselves. That's nice.
6.) Luke 7:8-10 - It's ok to lie and deceive. Jesus did it.
7.) I Corinthians 7:5 - Don't have sex...even if you're married...but if you must, eh i guess it's ok to avoid being tempted by Satan.
8.) Ephesians 5: 22-24 - Wives must submit to their husbands. This produces some correlation with the OT that women were half of a man's value.
9.) I Timothy 5:3-10 - you should help a widow, only if she has no children or nephews, is desolate, trusts in god, prays all the time, is not living in pleasure, is over 60 years old, had only one husband, has lodged strangers, has washed saints' feet, relieved the afflicted and diligently followed every good work.That's a lot of requirements just to help someone who needs help.
10.) 1 Peter 3:2-6 - wives are not to braid their hair, wear gold, or put on apparel.

There are hundreds more where these come from. The commands to commit controversial actions seem mercilessly strung out in the NT just as much as the OT. It really does send a mixed signal. Sad

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