How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
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30-10-2013, 08:41 AM
How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
(Or any other religion). I just don't know why. My mom was a Taoist who converted to Christianity around her late teens. Her sisters went invited her to church and so on. But just why? I don't get it. They're not impressionable like kids or anything. Not to offend those who were in this situation. Anyone can give me some insight?

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30-10-2013, 09:04 AM
RE: How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
Probably the same reason most people that were turned religious as a kid, stay religious for the rest of their life. Their either never learned anything better, they simply never gave it a second thought, or they just lack the IQ for understanding complex words like "read", "school" and "knowledge"...

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30-10-2013, 09:27 AM
RE: How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
(30-10-2013 08:41 AM)guitarist Wrote:  (Or any other religion). I just don't know why. My mom was a Taoist who converted to Christianity around her late teens. Her sisters went invited her to church and so on. But just why? I don't get it. They're not impressionable like kids or anything. Not to offend those who were in this situation. Anyone can give me some insight?

As my screen name says, I was raised roman catholic.....

My ideas/surmizes.....
1. all folks are impressionable; some more openly than others.
2. the roman catholics have the whole enchilada. A very long and rich (in both the sense of diatetic and monetary) history. They have all the rules and regulations. They have the mysteries (kind of like a whole passel of great ghost stories); they have the sites, sounds, and scents; they have the cerimonies and outfits; they even have the media (think of all the xmas, easter, and epic movies); they have community and large numbers of members; they have "signs" (sign of the cross among others), in short...they have the real, actual, and to be felt "gravitas".
3. That sort of stuff adds up to a powerful complete package that is difficult to resist when you don't have anything existing to refute it.

Question: did your mom hang out with other Taoists on a regular basis? I've noticed that most free thinkers don't really socialize. I'm not sure about Taoists, but I'll guess it's the same.
Even on this site, most of the posting is done by a few. And much like other sites, the posts become personal battles and invectives as opposed to rational discussions.

Just my thoughts.....

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30-10-2013, 09:49 AM
RE: How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
(30-10-2013 09:27 AM)RaisdCath Wrote:  
(30-10-2013 08:41 AM)guitarist Wrote:  (Or any other religion). I just don't know why. My mom was a Taoist who converted to Christianity around her late teens. Her sisters went invited her to church and so on. But just why? I don't get it. They're not impressionable like kids or anything. Not to offend those who were in this situation. Anyone can give me some insight?

As my screen name says, I was raised roman catholic.....

My ideas/surmizes.....
1. all folks are impressionable; some more openly than others.
2. the roman catholics have the whole enchilada. A very long and rich (in both the sense of diatetic and monetary) history. They have all the rules and regulations. They have the mysteries (kind of like a whole passel of great ghost stories); they have the sites, sounds, and scents; they have the cerimonies and outfits; they even have the media (think of all the xmas, easter, and epic movies); they have community and large numbers of members; they have "signs" (sign of the cross among others), in short...they have the real, actual, and to be felt "gravitas".
3. That sort of stuff adds up to a powerful complete package that is difficult to resist when you don't have anything existing to refute it.

Question: did your mom hang out with other Taoists on a regular basis? I've noticed that most free thinkers don't really socialize. I'm not sure about Taoists, but I'll guess it's the same.
Even on this site, most of the posting is done by a few. And much like other sites, the posts become personal battles and invectives as opposed to rational discussions.

Just my thoughts.....

I don't know whether she hung out with other Taoists. Her family went to the temple like all other Taoists. Though she is close to her some of her sisters (in her family of around 10), who converted first.

She went to a fundie church instead of catholic though, the same one I ended up going for the first 14 years of my lie before becoming an atheist. The church could only claim humble beginnings and being true to the bible and what not. The way I see it, Catholicism was people controlling others with bullshit and Protestantism were Catholics who took the holy text too far and believed in the bullshit too much. Am I right?

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30-10-2013, 10:36 AM
RE: How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
(30-10-2013 08:41 AM)guitarist Wrote:  (Or any other religion). I just don't know why. My mom was a Taoist who converted to Christianity around her late teens. Her sisters went invited her to church and so on. But just why? I don't get it. They're not impressionable like kids or anything. Not to offend those who were in this situation. Anyone can give me some insight?
Good question. My mother grew up without religion and then became Catholic as an adult. This happened long before she was married so that wasn't the reason. My best guess is it's similar to how people get sucked into cults. They are emotionally needy for whatever reason and religion fills the need.

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31-10-2013, 09:35 PM
RE: How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
(30-10-2013 10:36 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(30-10-2013 08:41 AM)guitarist Wrote:  SNIP
SNIP *They are emotionally needy for whatever reason and religion fills the need. *

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01-11-2013, 12:54 AM
RE: How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
My father was in a low spot after his 2'nd divorce. He'd always been successful in his work, but couldn't seem to keep a working marriage (and his 2'nd wife cheated on him too). That was a huge blow to his confidence and ego. Now combine this with childhood indoctrination by Catholic parents, and he started bouncing around to different churches until he found a Southern Baptist one he liked. He didn't attend church or need religion or Jesus when he was doing fine, but when he went into an emotional nosedive, he found religion. Most likely through a very AA styles divorcee support group with a heavy emphasis on Jesus didn't help. His religion fills a hole in him; something I haven't wanted or needed. I'm not sure if it because I simply don't have the need for it, or if I've filled those needs with other things, but I find nothing appealing in religion given my current understating of reality.

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01-11-2013, 01:02 AM
RE: How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
Some people cant reconcile guilt and regrets in life.
Jesus forgives them when they are unable to cope.

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01-11-2013, 01:14 AM
RE: How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
Like EvolutionKills said,
religion can help people make sense of times when life is pretty sucky. It's a message of hope; for something better in the afterlife.
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01-11-2013, 01:17 AM
RE: How and why do non believing grown ups convert to Christianity?
(30-10-2013 08:41 AM)guitarist Wrote:  (Or any other religion). I just don't know why. My mom was a Taoist who converted to Christianity around her late teens. Her sisters went invited her to church and so on. But just why? I don't get it. They're not impressionable like kids or anything. Not to offend those who were in this situation. Anyone can give me some insight?

My personal hypothesis?

Overly and/or hyper-active limbic systems. The Limbic system is believed to be responsible for emotions: formation, regulation, emotional memory etc.
Religion in general plays on emotions rather than reason (as I am sure we have all surmised individually). To my knowledge, few religious groups can do this as well as the faiths under the Christianity umbrella, which seems to specialise in the religious world as a supportive religion; helping the downtrodden and unstable by forming tightly-bound surrogate 'families', communities, charities and so on. (as opposed to the domineering of Islam and strict Judaism)

It seems perfectly reasonable to me to assume that people who convert to religions from non-religions may be falling victim to their Limbic system acting up in response to the emotional stimuli which is generally engineered by the Church to attract new and hold old converts (and thus rake in more monies).
It helps explain how otherwise perfectly rational and intelligent individuals (Francis Collins for example) can fall for otherwise totally irrational concepts; the emotional part of their brain is overpowering the rational.

Of course, I cannot really test this hypothesis, so... Anybody want to critique my idea?

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