How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
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28-02-2012, 02:15 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
Evolution is no more a fact than god is a fact.
Evolution is a scientific theory; it is in no way enduring.
As god is ineffable this is also theoretical, albeit highly so.
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28-02-2012, 05:19 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(28-02-2012 02:15 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Evolution is no more a fact than god is a fact.
Evolution is a scientific theory; it is in no way enduring.
As god is ineffable this is also theoretical, albeit highly so.

The theory of evolution is not a fact just as the theory of gravity is not a fact.

While those may be so, it is a fact that evolution happens and the gravitational force is always has been inflicted and always will continue so barring what would be a miracle.

To the opening question... That's why they have what they call liberal religious views. The good and bad part of it, it is a "gateway belief" as it can lead people to drop religion but also will always tie back to the fundamental version if it uses the same holy text.
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01-03-2012, 04:22 AM (This post was last modified: 01-03-2012 04:28 AM by mysticjbyrd.)
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(25-02-2012 04:56 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Simple dude, it's called "god of the gaps". Evolution is accepted by the catholics and the anglican church so their gods have retreated to the gap of the start of the universe and Genesis has become metaphor. Their hole-y books have become frameworks (guidelines) rather than standards (rule books).

Alternatively (muslims, YECs etc.) there is denial / cognitive dissonance (baby dinosaurs on the ark) so .... god still dun it.
They know "in their hearts" that they are right because facts and "troof" is what they believe and not something that is evidence-based.... scientific troof is not the same as spiritual troof.

Yup. There is also a large portion of Americans who believe in evolution, but also believe that god helped the process along.

(28-02-2012 02:15 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Evolution is no more a fact than god is a fact.
Evolution is a scientific theory; it is in no way enduring.
As god is ineffable this is also theoretical, albeit highly so.

In common every day language, evolution is most certainly a fact, just as gravity is a fact.
From the very narrow field of vision of science, yes they are both theories.

In either language god is neither a fact nor theory; he is at best an hypothesis.
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02-03-2012, 01:04 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(27-02-2012 09:56 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(25-02-2012 04:06 AM)electricnipples Wrote:  Evolution proved that it took millions of years for the universe/life to form with no person helping.
How can you believe that a god created everything in 7 days knowing that we know for a fact it took million of years for everything to be what it is now?

You speak as if you've definitively destroyed Christianity with evolution. I suggest you brush up on your theology and accepted Christian beliefs before you make generalized statements.

How are christian beliefs not generalizations themselves? The word belief in itself acknowledges the absense of proof.
(28-02-2012 02:15 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Evolution is no more a fact than god is a fact.
Evolution is a scientific theory; it is in no way enduring.
As god is ineffable this is also theoretical, albeit highly so.

Evolution is just as difficult to disprove as gravity.
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02-03-2012, 07:02 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(27-02-2012 09:56 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(25-02-2012 04:06 AM)electricnipples Wrote:  Evolution proved that it took millions of years for the universe/life to form with no person helping.
How can you believe that a god created everything in 7 days knowing that we know for a fact it took million of years for everything to be what it is now?

You speak as if you've definitively destroyed Christianity with evolution. I suggest you brush up on your theology and accepted Christian beliefs before you make generalized statements.

It does take the Christian story down.
If evolution is true, no original sin as no Adam and Eve.
No original sin, no need for a Savoir to die for original sin.
The whole thing falls apart.
The Apologist can twist the Old Testament in knots to try and prove otherwise, but it's pretty much over.
This is why the fervent rejection of evolution by most Christians.
They know the dots are "unconnected".
You’re delusional if you think otherwise. Then again, Christianity is delusional so that would then make you a good Christian.
So keep the faith brother and never mind the evidence.

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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02-03-2012, 07:13 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(02-03-2012 01:04 PM)Zriv123 Wrote:  The word belief in itself acknowledges the absense of proof.

Sorry to be pedantic here but I think it more accurate to say ...
The word "faith" in itself acknowledges the absense of proof.

I "believe" in evolution etc. because of the evidence.

To be honest, I try to avoid the word "believe"; "trust" is more specific...
I "trust" the theory of evolution etc. because of the evidence.

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01-04-2012, 02:09 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
Many Atheists ignore the fact that, of the Christians who believe evolution, they believe that God created the basic building blocks, and not that they came about as a result of non-direction. Many also claim that evolution is "fact", when such is not a proven statement.
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01-04-2012, 03:00 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(01-04-2012 02:09 PM)Hooded50 Wrote:  Many Atheists ignore the fact that, of the Christians who believe evolution, they believe that God created the basic building blocks, and not that they came about as a result of non-direction. Many also claim that evolution is "fact", when such is not a proven statement.


Saying a god, (which one?) "created" the building blocks, (the Great Watchmaker winding up the universe... "Deus ex Machina"), is just as nonsensical as is the rest of creationism. Which, (EXACTLY), "building blocks" did you think she created, and when, and how is it they could not have arisen by natural forces ?

No one claims the Theory of Evolution is a "fact". Science is a method. The steps of that method do not include the word "fact". There are theories, and there is supporting evidence for them . When and if there is evidence for some other theory, science will look at it. There is no evidence for creationism.

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01-04-2012, 03:04 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(01-04-2012 02:09 PM)Hooded50 Wrote:  Many also claim that evolution is "fact", when such is not a proven statement.

Yes, it is.

That's pretty much all there is to be said on the subject. Sorry.

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01-04-2012, 03:34 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(01-04-2012 03:00 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(01-04-2012 02:09 PM)Hooded50 Wrote:  Many Atheists ignore the fact that, of the Christians who believe evolution, they believe that God created the basic building blocks, and not that they came about as a result of non-direction. Many also claim that evolution is "fact", when such is not a proven statement.


Saying a god, (which one?) "created" the building blocks, (the Great Watchmaker winding up the universe... "Deus ex Machina"), is just as nonsensical as is the rest of creationism. Which, (EXACTLY), "building blocks" did you think she created, and when, and how is it they could not have arisen by natural forces ?

No one claims the Theory of Evolution is a "fact". Science is a method. The steps of that method do not include the word "fact". There are theories, and there is supporting evidence for them . When and if there is evidence for some other theory, science will look at it. There is no evidence for creationism.
Evolution is as close to a "fact" as one gets in science; like plate tectonics, or molecular theory.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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