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28-04-2012, 04:19 AM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
It's also a "fact" in young earth creationist circles:


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26-06-2012, 07:21 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
I haven't read through the whole thread but as was stated earlier, it depends on one's theology. Many Christians don't hold Genesis 1 and 2 to be literal descriptions of what happened. I think the heart of the matter that the OP is aiming at is if Genesis 1&2 are metaphorical, what impact does that have on the rest of the Christian theology? Many Evangelicals (including those who accept evolution) hold the concept of original sin, which is based off of a literal interpretation of Adam and Eve existing in the Garden of Eden, granted Original Sin is not a ubiquitous concept throughout Christendom, most Christians that we deal with do believe in that concept. Also, Jesus believed in a six day creation so does being a Christian who accepts evolution in essence mean that you are calling Jesus a liar? Most Christians never think that deeply on the issue but rather accept evolution and live according to their personal theology and are completely fine with it.
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27-06-2012, 08:21 AM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
1) Evolution does not disprove god. In fact, evolution makes an LC-type creator god (machine intelligence) more likely.
2) Genesis as metaphor.
3) Evolution is simply not important to many believers. They have their "Jesus loves me and I'm special" core mentality, and just parrot the creationists, figuring if Pastor says evolution is evil, well, then, it must be evil.

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27-06-2012, 08:36 AM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(28-04-2012 04:19 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  It's also a "fact" in young earth creationist circles:




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27-06-2012, 08:42 AM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(27-06-2012 08:21 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  1) Evolution does not disprove god. In fact, evolution makes an LC-type creator god (machine intelligence) more likely.
2) Genesis as metaphor.
3) Evolution is simply not important to many believers. They have their "Jesus loves me and I'm special" core mentality, and just parrot the creationists, figuring if Pastor says evolution is evil, well, then, it must be evil.


I love this - "They have their "Jesus loves me and I'm special" core mentality, and just parrot the creationists, figuring if Pastor says evolution is evil, well, then, it must be evil."

Very well stated.

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27-06-2012, 08:58 AM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
This topic is what I see as the major flaw of liberal Christianity. It literally does not make any sense when you try to mend accepting the scientific findings of modern times with believe in God's divine intervention via biblical actions and Jesus.

I'm a bit surprised Christopher Hitchens hasn't been brought into the debate because he has a great point against this view:




Along with the point of that video, that any Christian accepting of evolution means God just sat twiddling his thumbs, MAYBE controlling evolution, until he finally decided it was time to directly intervene. If you accept evolution, there is ultimately no reason for Jesus to be sacrificed. If there is no Adam and Eve, therefore, no original sin, what is the point of Jesus dying for your sins. What did he save you from? All I can see is he saved humanity from the Jewish believe where you just die peacefully into a threat of eternal torture because of something the ultimate ancestors who didn't exist, did wrong. I fail to see what a personal relationship with a 2000 year old baby can do for humanity.

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27-06-2012, 12:21 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(01-04-2012 03:00 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is no evidence for creationism.


Well, I think you would agree that there is significant scientific evidence to show the universe diriving from a singularity, also showing that the universe has not always existed or been even close to what it is now.
That itself is evidence, not proof, of intent which would seem to lead to evidence of creation. You can derive your own conclusion from that evidence and choose to scrap all other possible conclusions for what ever reason that suits you, or you can keep the mind open to other possible conclusions given emperical evidence.

But yes, there is evidence for creationism. You may have meant to say there is not proof for creationism.

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27-06-2012, 12:28 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(27-06-2012 12:21 PM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  But yes, there is evidence for creationism. You may have meant to say there is not proof for creationism.
What kind of evidence for Creationism is there?

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27-06-2012, 12:42 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(27-06-2012 12:21 PM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  
(01-04-2012 03:00 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is no evidence for creationism.


Well, I think you would agree that there is significant scientific evidence to show the universe diriving from a singularity, also showing that the universe has not always existed or been even close to what it is now.

That's entirely accurate.

It shows that our current universe hasn't always existed. We have no idea if there was a universe before ours.

This gives credence to the Big Crunch Theory.

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27-06-2012, 01:51 PM
RE: How can people still be religious knowing Evolution is a fact?
(27-06-2012 12:21 PM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  
(01-04-2012 03:00 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is no evidence for creationism.


Well, I think you would agree that there is significant scientific evidence to show the universe diriving from a singularity, also showing that the universe has not always existed or been even close to what it is now.
That itself is evidence, not proof, of intent which would seem to lead to evidence of creation. You can derive your own conclusion from that evidence and choose to scrap all other possible conclusions for what ever reason that suits you, or you can keep the mind open to other possible conclusions given emperical evidence.

But yes, there is evidence for creationism. You may have meant to say there is not proof for creationism.
No, most of us mean there is no credible evidence for creationism.

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