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28-03-2016, 07:43 AM
RE: How can we DESTROY Islam?
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28-03-2016, 08:17 AM
RE: How can we DESTROY Islam?
(27-03-2016 02:17 PM)KUSA Wrote:  Trump has the answers. Believe me.

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28-03-2016, 08:49 AM
RE: How can we DESTROY Islam?
(28-03-2016 08:17 AM)Rik Wrote:  
(27-03-2016 02:17 PM)KUSA Wrote:  Trump has the answers. Believe me.

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28-03-2016, 10:26 AM
RE: How can we DESTROY Islam?
(27-03-2016 12:50 PM)bussta33 Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQiUuRM0kk

As the west becomes more and more anti-Muslim, the Middle East becomes more and more anti-west. A large bulk of people now want Islam to be wiped off the face of the planet, and at the same time, a large bulk of people don't seem to understand this can't happen without extreme warfare, unnecessary bloodshed, and holocaust-like tactics.

So, if destroying Islam is out of the question, what CAN we do to stop Islam?

UGGGGGGGG, by understanding that even the west, as secular as it may be still has those who infect religion into politics. It is not simply enough for westernized religious people to say "we don't do that".

What needs to happen is to understand that every religion has sub sects that compete, there is not one umbrella label that does not have it's own divisions in their sub sects. The west is part of the problem too, because even with secular law and a more civil society, it still remains that even we have a right wing that seeks to impose it's idea of religion into politics.

The left and right in every single religion are still using their respective umbrellas and books and interpret them to different conclusions.

It isn't just Islam it is the concept of grouping and calling that group a religion and then mixing that idea with government and power. No, you cannot force the end of any religion, but the idea of a "chosen people" is still the core as to why the competing religions cant get along. The west has simply had a longer time managing differences. The west became more civil in spite of Christianity not because of it.

I love my well intended theist friends on the left, but for every empathetic liberal Catholic or Baptist, there are also conservative Catholics and Baptists that have the same dominion "submit" attitude far too many, even if not a majority, in the East that hold them hostage. The only difference is our right wing has law stopping them.

There was no written religion 200,000 years ago. There was no Islam, or Jewish or Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism, much less boarders. There were no humans 4 billion years ago, much less 14 billion years ago. It takes 1 ray of light at the speed of light to cross just our galaxy alone, which has billions of suns in it. Our universe has 100s of billions of galaxies in it.

Education and less fear. Education and less tribalism. I am not in any fear of any one religion dominating the world. I do think we can use our voices to act, not to create a utopia, not even for atheists, but to act as a priority shift in understanding this is the only home all 7 billion of us have and that we are still the same species.

So when you talk about Islam, remember, it did not invent justifications for violence or sexism or homophobia. It is simply stuck more in the past than any other right now. Attack the ideas, attack the words in the Quran and Hadiths in regards to the individuals or individual groups who insist on using them to harm others. But that does not negate that Christians and Jews as well, also use their holy writings as justifications for their actions as well.

The idea of religion itself is the root cause. Not the individual as an individual, but the idea that a group humans call religion, allows us to be divided and far too often that gets us to the point of treating the other club as a sub species.

We need to learn more worldwide that their is a huge difference between human rights, the right to make any claim you want, vs the idea itself. Humans certainly deserve to be free from the violence of others, but ideas as claims do not deserve to be scrutiny or blasphemy free.

Civility isn't about never offending or getting offended, but how one responds in the face of those situations.More education and more insistence on common law and neutral law.

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28-03-2016, 10:30 AM
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(28-03-2016 08:17 AM)Rik Wrote:  
(27-03-2016 02:17 PM)KUSA Wrote:  Trump has the answers. Believe me.

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He spews the same nonsense at another atheist website under the same name.

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28-03-2016, 10:46 AM
RE: How can we DESTROY Islam?
(28-03-2016 07:21 AM)Rahn127 Wrote:  
(28-03-2016 02:49 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  And in so doing, you have become the very monster you hoped to destroy. Well done.

It worked when the Americans nearly wiped out the natives who had inhabited the land for tens of thousands of years.

You let the monster loose, then rein it back in when the job is done.

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For starters, the later colonists would probably never have been able to establish their meager footholds in the Americas if the native populations hadn't been decimated by initial contact with European pathogens.

Second, I fail to see how repeating the mistakes of the past will help us achieve anything more than generate another sordid lists of repeated atrocities.

Thirdly, if your best answer to a problem is 'cultural genocide', you shouldn't be in a position to be making any decisions. Because if that really is your best solution, and you go through with it, all you've done is replaced one problem with another. Now you are the genocidal maniacs, and who is going to stop you? Thus history repeats itself, and we're none the wiser.


Some monsters cannot be contained. We let the atomic genie out of the bottle, and that cannot be undone.

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28-03-2016, 10:55 AM
RE: How can we DESTROY Islam?
(28-03-2016 10:46 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(28-03-2016 07:21 AM)Rahn127 Wrote:  It worked when the Americans nearly wiped out the natives who had inhabited the land for tens of thousands of years.

You let the monster loose, then rein it back in when the job is done.

Easy peazy


For starters, the later colonists would probably never have been able to establish their meager footholds in the Americas if the native populations hadn't been decimated by initial contact with European pathogens.

Second, I fail to see how repeating the mistakes of the past will help us achieve anything more than generate another sordid lists of repeated atrocities.

Thirdly, if your best answer to a problem is 'cultural genocide', you shouldn't be in a position to be making any decisions. Because if that really is your best solution, and you go through with it, all you've done is replaced one problem with another. Now you are the genocidal maniacs, and who is going to stop you? Thus history repeats itself, and we're none the wiser.


Some monsters cannot be contained. We let the atomic genie out of the bottle, and that cannot be undone.

Fourthly, if the early colonists had used nukes, they wouldn't have been able to colonize the now-irradiated New World.

.... also, had that technology been available at the time, the counter-reformation would have looked very different. Forget gunpowder plot, Guy Fawkes would have leveled all of London.
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28-03-2016, 11:23 AM
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(27-03-2016 12:50 PM)bussta33 Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQiUuRM0kk

As the west becomes more and more anti-Muslim, the Middle East becomes more and more anti-west. A large bulk of people now want Islam to be wiped off the face of the planet, and at the same time, a large bulk of people don't seem to understand this can't happen without extreme warfare, unnecessary bloodshed, and holocaust-like tactics.

So, if destroying Islam is out of the question, what CAN we do to stop Islam?

Bloodshed can be avoided.... By using biological warfare.

But seriously, if somebody were to locate genetic markers that distinguish the people most likely to be religious extremists, something might be tailored.

Or, ya know... Live your life... Don't bother adding more humans to the planet, and just let it die.
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28-03-2016, 11:49 AM
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(28-03-2016 11:23 AM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  
(27-03-2016 12:50 PM)bussta33 Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQiUuRM0kk

As the west becomes more and more anti-Muslim, the Middle East becomes more and more anti-west. A large bulk of people now want Islam to be wiped off the face of the planet, and at the same time, a large bulk of people don't seem to understand this can't happen without extreme warfare, unnecessary bloodshed, and holocaust-like tactics.

So, if destroying Islam is out of the question, what CAN we do to stop Islam?

Bloodshed can be avoided.... By using biological warfare.

But seriously, if somebody were to locate genetic markers that distinguish the people most likely to be religious extremists, something might be tailored.

There's a problem with this.

How likely would, say, President Ted Cruz be to deploy a biological weapon that would kill him too?
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28-03-2016, 11:57 AM
RE: How can we DESTROY Islam?
(28-03-2016 11:49 AM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(28-03-2016 11:23 AM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  Bloodshed can be avoided.... By using biological warfare.

But seriously, if somebody were to locate genetic markers that distinguish the people most likely to be religious extremists, something might be tailored.

There's a problem with this.

How likely would, say, President Ted Cruz be to deploy a biological weapon that would kill him too?

Who said anything about the government being involved?
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