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07-12-2012, 07:54 AM
"How could you believe that?"
So, one of the questions that comes up is how anyone, knowing about dinosaurs, evolution, etc. could believe in creationism. (Not to mention deal with things like the flood.) Thought I'd throw what I did, years ago, out there to make it kinda-sorta make sense to me at the time. Some people just go on "faith it's true," but that didn't quite work for me even in the deepest indoctrination.

Like many kids, I was *fascinated* by dinosaurs at a young age. I knew they were extinct, we found them as fossils, we burned them as oil (well, not precisely, but I knew of the process.) On the flip side, "God created the heavens and the Earth, 7 days, adam didn't get eaten by a tyrannosaur," etc. I never believed people walked with dinosaurs, fortunately, outside of the Flintstones.

I felt like I could make the various contradictions make sense. So, my timeline generally went like:

- God creates earth.
- God creates life.
- Wipes out part of life, dinosaurs rise. Big experiment.
- God decides it's time to make intelligent life. Dinosaurs would be bad for this. Sends meteor to wipe out dinosaurs.
- Odd, hazy period where there's an ice age. Ice age *obviously* occurs after creation in Eden, probably as part of punishment of Adam's descendants. And/or to hide Eden. Likely after tower of Babel. (After all, it was all so long ago.)
- God simplifies it when explaining to not-particularly-advanced people by turning all this into "days" of creation. Bible written, Jesus does his cheerleader act ("Gimme a T!" - because everyone wants to nail a cheerleader - insert other punchline here) etc.


Of course, young-earth literalism could never accept that, either. Just glad I never got into that mindset.
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07-12-2012, 08:50 AM
RE: "How could you believe that?"
Dinosaurs only present a problem to YECs. Other creationists such as OECs and PCs have reconciled dinosaurs.

For ECs and TEs this isn't an issue.

As I said before, YEC isn't the only Christian belief. It's the most popular because it caters to the least educated as well as having the most vocal yokels.

The belief in evolution, again, only mainly affects YEC. OECs have some reconciliation and PCs have a lot as well while still maintaining creationism. As before, this is a non-issue with ECs and TEs.

Your main grievance seems to be with YECs (trust me, I understand).

Many young Christians are educating themselves and adopting a non-YEC view. As this generation becomes older, you're going to see a large decline in YEC beliefs.

As an FYI: YECs will reconcile dinosaurs with either the Gap Theory or that dinosaurs lived with people (They will point to Job chapters 40 and 41).

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07-12-2012, 08:57 AM
RE: "How could you believe that?"
OEC may have found a way to reconcile dinosaurs with their faith, but they have not found a way to reconcile it with what we know about reality and nature. This is why OEC, ECs, and TCs, don't have the support of science. They tack on something extra and unnecessary to the end of it to "reconcile" it with their faith.

As Laplace said to Napoleon when presenting him with his model for the Solar System
"[Sire,] je n'ai pas eu besoin de cette hypoth├Ęse."

Sire, I had no need of that hypothesis.

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07-12-2012, 09:00 AM
RE: "How could you believe that?"
I never really gave this notion of reconciling my belief with the bible too much thought. By the time I started to learn about Earth History, I had already dropped the bible as any type of valuable document, so I started to reconcile my beliefs with a more deistic interpretation.

I do however know people who would say dinosaurs are just there to trick us. These people are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Not the brightest crayon in the box. A few bricks shy of a house. A few neurons short of a fully functional brain. A sneeze away from an empty head.

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07-12-2012, 09:02 AM
RE: "How could you believe that?"
I don't understand this mindset that you can be a non-YEC and still believe in the bible.

Anything that isn't YEC conflicts with the bible.

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07-12-2012, 09:02 AM
RE: "How could you believe that?"
Cognitive Dissonance.

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07-12-2012, 09:03 AM
RE: "How could you believe that?"
(07-12-2012 08:57 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  OEC may have found a way to reconcile dinosaurs with their faith, but they have not found a way to reconcile it with what we know about reality and nature. This is why OEC, ECs, and TCs, don't have the support of science. They tack on something extra and unnecessary to the end of it to "reconcile" it with their faith.

As Laplace said to Napoleon when presenting him with his model for the Solar System
"[Sire,] je n'ai pas eu besoin de cette hypoth├Ęse."

Sire, I had no need of that hypothesis.
What's a TC?

Anyway, ECs and TEs do have the support of science. They follow science as much as any atheist. The only difference is that they believe God authored evolution.

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07-12-2012, 09:05 AM
RE: "How could you believe that?"
(07-12-2012 09:02 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  I don't understand this mindset that you can be a non-YEC and still believe in the bible.

Anything that isn't YEC conflicts with the bible.
Because history points to Genesis as not being written as a literal account. It was never taken literally until fairly recently.

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07-12-2012, 09:05 AM
RE: "How could you believe that?"
(07-12-2012 09:02 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Cognitive Dissonance.
Ehhh, not really.

Detail what is cognitive dissonance.

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07-12-2012, 09:07 AM
RE: "How could you believe that?"
(07-12-2012 09:00 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I never really gave this notion of reconciling my belief with the bible too much thought. By the time I started to learn about Earth History, I had already dropped the bible as any type of valuable document, so I started to reconcile my beliefs with a more deistic interpretation.

I do however know people who would say dinosaurs are just there to trick us. These people are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Not the brightest crayon in the box. A few bricks shy of a house. A few neurons short of a fully functional brain. A sneeze away from an empty head.
Oh yeah... the "Satan put dinosaur bones in the dirt to trick us" theory. I've heard it.

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